COVID-19 vaccines: medical concerns and recommendations

[Wondering Beard]

Looks like we may have a new strain called Deltacron.







https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...omicron-delta/

Most likely a contaminated sample:

https://twitter.com/@twitter/status/1479950248562860038

Click on the link above to read the whole thread.



Added; see also:
Scientists say 'Deltacron is not real' amid claims of new variant
“Deltacron” is probably a lab mistake, not a new variant
Coronavirus: Cyprus’ Deltacron could just be contamination, Imperial College virologist says (Update 2)
Reported ‘deltacron’ likely not actual variant, virologist says/

[jellydonut]

It wasn't apparent at first that a vaccinated person could become positive if tested and become ill. It also wasn't apparent that they could be spreaders. So really all the vaccine did was keep a lot of people out of the hospital. Tragic.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but 90% of the people who are hospitalized with covid are unvaccinated. Just about everyone will get covid sooner or later. What happens to you when you get it might be worth considering.

Nothing is going to happen to me because I take care of myself, my health, and my immune system.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covi...-or-obese.html

https://www.science.org/content/arti...f-theyre-young

https://www.biospace.com/article/exc...d-19-illness-/

https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...ect-fat-tissue

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/h...t-obesity.html

I see people in here literally juggling multiple vax cards so they can get more shots faster. Meanwhile, we should all be worrying more about our visceral fat than shooting up experimental junk pharma products.

[Ed L]

Well cat is out of the bag here. Many covid cases among vaccinated/boosted staff and vaccinated students. Many are really pissed off that they were told they could not get it anymore because of vaccination. Even more pissed off people when they are told they cant send kids to class because they are positive but vaccinated because they can still spread the virus regardless of the jab.

It honest sickens me how tens of millions put a drug into themselves with a promise that has not proven to be as effective as promised. Regardless of it lessening effects, there has to be accountability to what has happened because of side effects and bad information leading to a lot more people being infected. Vaccinated people have not had to test since the first jab, if it is now apparent they were able to spread it this entire time, there is some type of lability there. I say this because as being an unvaccinated person I test every single week and isolate if exposed. Vaccinated staff never had to. WTF

The problem is that there is much we did not know about this virus when it surfaced since it was new AKA Novel Corona Virus. Thus we have had to learn by experience. We rushed the vaccines out due to the seriousness and transmissibility of the virus. At that point we did not have enough long term experience to be able to accurately predict some things, and the virus itself has mutated beyond where it was when we developed the vaccines.

At one point it was believed that vaccinations might be good for a long time, or that if you contracted Covid once you would develop the antibodies and be good for a long time. As things unfolded over time we have learned otherwise by observing patterns that unfold. Also, the virus has mutated, becoming more communicable and changing in character. We have also learned that the vaccines don't maintain the level of effectiveness for as last of a period as thought; thus the need for boosters.

Because this is a respiratory virus it is far more easily spread than some things that were wiped out like Polio, which enters the body through the mouth, usually from hands contaminated with the stool of an infected person.

All we do know is that vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting it, reduce the severity if you do get it, and the chances that you will wind up hospitalized. All of those are wins, even if they are not as large of a win as we would like.

If the vaccines are not suitable for someone due to health reasons or whatever, then it is that person's decision to not get the vaccine.

[HeavyDuty]

My 78 year old mother was hospitalized 12/28 for a laminectomy. She has been slow to recover, with post anesthesia and pain management issues, but as of a few days ago they have her on a physical therapy floor. The hospital has not been good at keeping me up to date, so I have had to push a bit with regular calls to the nurses. (I’m in NH, she is in IL.) She is a retired clinical psych nurse, so she understands how care works. I had to manage my late wife’s hospital care for ten years, but it’s been since 2015 and I’ve lost a lot of my skill - she was an extremely complex case and needed heavy coordination which nobody seemed willing to do.

Yesterday she started complaining of a severe sore throat and was worried about strep. At two in the morning she called me, apparently she just tested positive for Covid, is dehydrated and they are having difficulties getting a line started. She was more scared then I’ve ever heard her. She is fully vaccinated but not boostered, which I don’t understand.

I called the nurse and was given a bullshit report, but she did confirm that she was unable to get a line started. She was waiting for a coworker to try her had. I specifically asked for them to get a NICU, anesthesiology or oncology nurse up there to help getting the line started if that didn’t work. I felt like I was dealing with the farm team, but I suppose overnights on a PT floor isn’t where you will find the best and brightest.

I’m getting ready to call them back to see how the line went and raise holy hell if it’s not done yet. I’m thinking since this is very early I should be pushing for Sotrovimab or Evusheld? Anything else Covid related I should be doing? Should I be pushing for a move to a med surg floor instead of PT?

[Borderland]

I got it two months ago. I was better in 5 days.

I'm sure that's the case for a lot of people. There sure are a lot of unvaccinated people with covid in hospitals however.

[Bio]

Nothing is going to happen to me because I take care of myself, my health, and my immune system.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covi...-or-obese.html

https://www.science.org/content/arti...f-theyre-young

https://www.biospace.com/article/exc...d-19-illness-/

https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...ect-fat-tissue

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/h...t-obesity.html

I see people in here literally juggling multiple vax cards so they can get more shots faster. Meanwhile, we should all be worrying more about our visceral fat than shooting up experimental junk pharma products.

Or you can reduce your own fat levels and get an FDA approved COVID vaccine. It's not like you can't do both.

[Borderland]

Or you can reduce your own fat levels and get an FDA approved COVID vaccine. It's not like you can't do both.

Why didn't I think of that.

[Bio]

Why didn't I think of that.

Ideas like that are why I get paid the big bucks. I'm also the guy behind walking and chewing gum at the same time.

[RoyGBiv]

Been trying to find this article to post here since I read it last week.
Had to check my search history to find the right combination of terms. LOL.

When my son asked for a booster appointment last week, before heading back to college, this information helped us decide to have him get a Moderna booster, after being originally vaxed (2x) with Pfizer. The rest of the family all have Moderna. When I sent my son for his original vax appointment, they gave him Pfizer even though he had an appointment card that clearly said Moderna. Thanks Walgreens!

Moderna COVID booster FAQ: You can mix and match with Pfizer after 5 months

The UK report also strengthened the case for a Moderna booster, noting that protection against omicron was higher in those who received a Moderna booster after two Pfizer shots compared with those who received a third Pfizer shot. The Moderna booster was also slightly more effective than Pfizer for people who received two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

UK Study links:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...fied-in-the-uk
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ical-briefings

[RoyGBiv]

Well cat is out of the bag here. Many covid cases among vaccinated/boosted staff and vaccinated students. Many are really pissed off that they were told they could not get it anymore because of vaccination. Even more pissed off people when they are told they cant send kids to class because they are positive but vaccinated because they can still spread the virus regardless of the jab.

It honest sickens me how tens of millions put a drug into themselves with a promise that has not proven to be as effective as promised. Regardless of it lessening effects, there has to be accountability to what has happened because of side effects and bad information leading to a lot more people being infected. Vaccinated people have not had to test since the first jab, if it is now apparent they were able to spread it this entire time, there is some type of lability there. I say this because as being an unvaccinated person I test every single week and isolate if exposed. Vaccinated staff never had to. WTF

I agree there's plenty of reasons to be pissed about how this all has been communicated and implemented. I never did believe the folks claiming that the vaccinated couldn't spread it. Honestly, the only thing I did believe was that the vax would go a long way to preventing severe disease. Plenty enough reason by itself for me and my family to get vaccinated.

I'll refrain from further comment that's more appropriate for the politics thread.