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Thread: Taking a chance on a Stoeger M3000 Freedom Series Defense Shotgun - opinions?

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    If anyone is interested in a shorter youth stock for these I have one. PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiperTed View Post
    Hey Lon!

    Sorry for the delay. I got sidetracked last week and didn't get to the range until today.

    Okay, here are my results:

    Shell UPC Size Shot FPS Good Bad Notes
    Winchester Game & Target 020892020122 2.75" 8 1200 X Lots of Stovepipes and Failure to feed next round.
    Noble 9 Pellet 837913000861 2.75" 00 1200 X
    Rio 9 Pellet 8435101618700 2.75" 00 1345 X
    Hornady Critical Defense 8 Pellet 090255862409 2.75" 00 1600 X
    Mili 9 Pellet 860005040001 2.75" 00 1350 X
    Federal 8 Pellet (LE133 00) 029465023157 2.75" 00 1145 X Lots of Stovepipes and Failure to feed next round.
    Federal 9 Pellet (LE127 00) 029465025076 2.75" 00 1325 X
    Federal Top Gun 029465025922 2.75" 8 1180 X Lots of Stovepipes and Failure to feed next round.
    Federal Slug 029465009946 2.75" Slug 1520 X

    Keep in mind that I have the MOA Reduced Rate Recoil Spring installed which is supposed to make the Stoeger operate light loads (1145 FPS or greater) and as you can see above I couldn't fire ANY of the 1145 or 1180 FPS loads reliably and the 1200 FPS were a mixed bag. I'm not sure why the Noble 1200 FPS worked but the other 1200 FPS #8 shot didn't. I do know that with the stock spring that I couldn't even fire ANY 1200 FPS reliably so the fact that the Noble 00 Buck worked like a champ is a plus but I guess I'm a bit disappointed since that is what I bought the light spring for - to operate these even lower than 1200 FPS low recoil loads.

    Anyone else having issues firing 1200 FPS or lighter loads WITH the MOA light spring?

    For a comparison, I also brought my RIA VR80 to the range and that is gas operated, not inertia driven like my Stoeger, and I had ZERO issues with any of the above rounds. They all fired smooth like butter in the VR80.
    Thanks for that. I’m gonna stick with loads over 1200fps and if it runs those, I’ll call it good. My LE12700 came in so I’ll run some of that through it to make sure it runs with it, but I’m pretty confident it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Thanks for that. I’m gonna stick with loads over 1200fps and if it runs those, I’ll call it good. My LE12700 came in so I’ll run some of that through it to make sure it runs with it, but I’m pretty confident it will.

    Yeah, that ran great for me so I'm 100% positive you'll have no issues with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Thanks for that. I’m gonna stick with loads over 1200fps and if it runs those, I’ll call it good. My LE12700 came in so I’ll run some of that through it to make sure it runs with it, but I’m pretty confident it will.
    So I did a little research and it appears that the 1200 FPS Winchester has 1 1/8oz (18/16) and the Noble 00 Buck has 1 3/16oz (19/16) load ounces. So that extra +1 (18 vs 19) was enough for the Stoeger to cycle the Noble reliably with the MOA spring. That doesn't appear to be much when comparing 18/16 over 19/16 but apparently it is. Interesting. I think I'm going to track down some other 1200 FPS with load ounces > 1 1/8 and see if those work as well.

    I'm betting that any load ounces greater than 1 1/8 will work (1 1/4, 1 3/8, 1 1/2, 1 3/16 and 1 7/16).

    UPDATE: I'm not sure I'm looking at this correctly. I think I'm confused by load ounces and DRAM. Back to more research!
    Last edited by SiperTed; 07-10-2022 at 09:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiperTed View Post
    So I did a little research and it appears that the 1200 FPS Winchester has 1 1/8oz (18/16) and the Noble 00 Buck has 1 3/16oz (19/16) load ounces. So that extra +1 (18 vs 19) was enough for the Stoeger to cycle the Noble reliably with the MOA spring. That doesn't appear to be much when comparing 18/16 over 19/16 but apparently it is. Interesting. I think I'm going to track down some other 1200 FPS with load ounces > 1 1/8 and see if those work as well.

    I'm betting that any load ounces greater than 1 1/8 will work (1 1/4, 1 3/8, 1 1/2, 1 3/16 and 1 7/16).

    UPDATE: I'm not sure I'm looking at this correctly. I think I'm confused by load ounces and DRAM. Back to more research!
    The loads I normally run are 1 1/8oz, 3 1/4 dram 7.5 shot. Runs great w them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    The loads I normally run are 1 1/8oz, 3 1/4 dram 7.5 shot. Runs great w them.
    Interesting. Yeah, the Winchester's above in my chart were 1 1/8oz, 3 dram, 8 shot and they didn't work at all. I wonder if I have to stay above 3 dram - like your 7.5 shot at 3 1/4 dram? Although, it seems like some manufacturer's don't list the dram equivalent so it may be hard to tell.

    Have you shot ANY 3 dram or lower and had the same issues I'm having?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiperTed View Post
    Interesting. Yeah, the Winchester's above in my chart were 1 1/8oz, 3 dram, 8 shot and they didn't work at all. I wonder if I have to stay above 3 dram - like your 7.5 shot at 3 1/4 dram? Although, it seems like some manufacturer's don't list the dram equivalent so it may be hard to tell.

    Have you shot ANY 3 dram or lower and had the same issues I'm having?
    I have not. I’ve always bought the 3 1/4 dram stuff. It’s been the most reliable in all my 3 gun semi-autos:
    M1S90
    Saiga
    REM 1100 Competition
    Adkal MKA1919

    And since I traded my Stoeger in on a 1301 today, I won’t have a chance to test any more loads. Found a pretty good deal I didn’t want to pass up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK View Post
    I am pleased with my Stoeger but did make some improvements (it is my CA-legal long gun when I go down there on protection details). In its stock form it much prefers full velocity buckshot (00 at 1350+ versus tactical 00 at 1150). When firing tactical buckshot the action was noticeably slower over the standard velocity buckshot and I would get a failure to extract once every 8 shots. 3 dram birdshot seemed to cycle a bit better versus other birdshot. I shopped at MOA Precision and ended up getting their Magpul SGA adapter, reduced recoil spring and heavy bolt system. It now fires everything I feed it.

    I installed a Briley Mlok rail, a GG&G oversized charging handle, a Surefire 340C light, and a Holosun 510C. Granted this was a significant investment on my part but Benellis and 1301Ts weren’t available or were cost prohibitive. I feel very well equipped with the Stoeger when I can’t bring my DD SBR along for the ride.

    What rail covers are those?

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    I think they were Bravo Company (the snap fit ones). I don’t remember who made the bolt-on ones (I ended up trading the Stoeger for a 1301T)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK View Post
    I think they were Bravo Company (the snap fit ones). I don’t remember who made the bolt-on ones (I ended up trading the Stoeger for a 1301T)
    Yep, I got the Bravo Company ones for my Stoeger too.

    Looking to pick up that new Mossberg 940 Pro Tactical also.

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