Ban-Compliant Defensive Rifles in the 2020s

[RevolverRob]

The PC carbines are blowback doing there is no “scaling them up” to take rifle calibers.

The mini 14 exists and most places Where one could have a conventional format rifle but not an AR are going to be limited to 10 round mags anyway. There’s no practical advantage

A more practical request would be a magpul 10 round magazine for the mini 14 with the quality and reliability that implies.

Yes, I know it's blowback. I should have been more clear and I think I erased some clarity from an earlier draft of my post. By 'scale up' - I mean take the best features of the PC9 and build a new rifle. Those features would be, common magazine availability and take down feature. The PC9 is a handy little gun for these reasons and I get the impression it is quite popular in ban states because of its feature set.

The closest thing to what I am imagining would be an SCR. Where you can use an AR mag and take the upper and lower apart for easy transport.

I'm not sure how many folks have regularly had to tote fullsize weapons in and out of apartment complexes in highly populated, unfriendly, areas - but it's not fun. Plus, there isn't a state I've found yet, where transportation laws would find a disassembled long gun as being in violation of their transport laws.

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Apparently, someone took a BRN-180 upper and put it on an SCR lower. That allowed them to eliminate the bolt carrier and switch to an Magpul SGA stock. And it seems like a really good idea actually. For this to by Ban legal, the flash hider would have to be removed and threads cut off. But that's a simple thing compared to other things. If Fitelight would make these things in decent quantity, I'd probably try to get one in .300 Blackout for reasons I don't fully understand.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

The Rugers are popular in WNY as PCC USPSA competition guns. However, there were quite a few of them in TX for IDPA carbine matches. Of course, as I always say, we are waiting for Justices Brett and Amy to bring the ARs and higher cap mags to the ban states of AMERICA. I see this happening in about 2052.

Going to shoot mine when the weather lets us outdoors again. Watching the snow fall. What gun to wear to get the mail if a polar bear or Yeti lurks in the drifts?

[Wheeler]

Yes, I know it's blowback. I should have been more clear and I think I erased some clarity from an earlier draft of my post. By 'scale up' - I mean take the best features of the PC9 and build a new rifle. Those features would be, common magazine availability and take down feature. The PC9 is a handy little gun for these reasons and I get the impression it is quite popular in ban states because of its feature set.

The closest thing to what I am imagining would be an SCR. Where you can use an AR mag and take the upper and lower apart for easy transport.

I'm not sure how many folks have regularly had to tote fullsize weapons in and out of apartment complexes in highly populated, unfriendly, areas - but it's not fun. Plus, there isn't a state I've found yet, where transportation laws would find a disassembled long gun as being in violation of their transport laws.

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Apparently, someone took a BRN-180 upper and put it on an SCR lower. That allowed them to eliminate the bolt carrier and switch to an Magpul SGA stock. And it seems like a really good idea actually. For this to by Ban legal, the flash hider would have to be removed and threads cut off. But that's a simple thing compared to other things. If Fitelight would make these things in decent quantity, I'd probably try to get one in .300 Blackout for reasons I don't fully understand.

I really like how that looks.

[HCM]

Yes, I know it's blowback. I should have been more clear and I think I erased some clarity from an earlier draft of my post. By 'scale up' - I mean take the best features of the PC9 and build a new rifle. Those features would be, common magazine availability and take down feature. The PC9 is a handy little gun for these reasons and I get the impression it is quite popular in ban states because of its feature set.

The closest thing to what I am imagining would be an SCR. Where you can use an AR mag and take the upper and lower apart for easy transport.

I'm not sure how many folks have regularly had to tote fullsize weapons in and out of apartment complexes in highly populated, unfriendly, areas - but it's not fun. Plus, there isn't a state I've found yet, where transportation laws would find a disassembled long gun as being in violation of their transport laws.

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Apparently, someone took a BRN-180 upper and put it on an SCR lower. That allowed them to eliminate the bolt carrier and switch to an Magpul SGA stock. And it seems like a really good idea actually. For this to by Ban legal, the flash hider would have to be removed and threads cut off. But that's a simple thing compared to other things. If Fitelight would make these things in decent quantity, I'd probably try to get one in .300 Blackout for reasons I don't fully understand.

This looks as good anything Ruger might come up with.

Just have the SCR production license to Ruger as with the Keltec /LCP/LC9.

[Rick R]

Apparently, someone took a BRN-180 upper and put it on an SCR lower. That allowed them to eliminate the bolt carrier and switch to an Magpul SGA stock. And it seems like a really good idea actually. For this to by Ban legal, the flash hider would have to be removed and threads cut off. But that's a simple thing compared to other things. If Fitelight would make these things in decent quantity, I'd probably try to get one in .300 Blackout for reasons I don't fully understand.

I’ve been curious about building one just like that for some time, I just don’t need another rifle and the state I live in will be the last to ban modern rifles. In fact there is a bill moving thru our legislature to make uncased/loaded long guns legal to carry in a vehicle.

But the SCRpul-180 looks like it might be a LOT of fun.

[HeavyDuty]

Yes, I know it's blowback. I should have been more clear and I think I erased some clarity from an earlier draft of my post. By 'scale up' - I mean take the best features of the PC9 and build a new rifle. Those features would be, common magazine availability and take down feature. The PC9 is a handy little gun for these reasons and I get the impression it is quite popular in ban states because of its feature set.

The closest thing to what I am imagining would be an SCR. Where you can use an AR mag and take the upper and lower apart for easy transport.

I'm not sure how many folks have regularly had to tote fullsize weapons in and out of apartment complexes in highly populated, unfriendly, areas - but it's not fun. Plus, there isn't a state I've found yet, where transportation laws would find a disassembled long gun as being in violation of their transport laws.

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Apparently, someone took a BRN-180 upper and put it on an SCR lower. That allowed them to eliminate the bolt carrier and switch to an Magpul SGA stock. And it seems like a really good idea actually. For this to by Ban legal, the flash hider would have to be removed and threads cut off. But that's a simple thing compared to other things. If Fitelight would make these things in decent quantity, I'd probably try to get one in .300 Blackout for reasons I don't fully understand.

I keep coming back to this. I wonder what all is involved? Was this on a forum somewhere?

[RevolverRob]

I keep coming back to this. I wonder what all is involved? Was this on a forum somewhere?

Sort of...I went down the rabbit hole -

I got the picture from Reddit; which pointed me to LightFighter

From LightFighter Thread there was some info about basically making an adapter to mount the SGA, but no real detail beyond that - but it pointed to CalGuns.

The CalGuns Thread had a bit more detail, but ultimately pointed to ARF.

And ARF basically said this guy BradN apparently makes adapters to do the SGA stock on the SCR lower. And some tools to do it. And then the BRN180 install is apparently straight forward.

So, when you build yours - do us a favor and document it - so we can have a thread about it.

[elsquid]

I keep coming back to this. I wonder what all is involved? Was this on a forum somewhere?

Yup. Pistol-forum, this thread, post #28.



— Michael

[HeavyDuty]

Sort of...I went down the rabbit hole -

I got the picture from Reddit; which pointed me to LightFighter

From LightFighter Thread there was some info about basically making an adapter to mount the SGA, but no real detail beyond that - but it pointed to CalGuns.

The CalGuns Thread had a bit more detail, but ultimately pointed to ARF.

And ARF basically said this guy BradN apparently makes adapters to do the SGA stock on the SCR lower. And some tools to do it. And then the BRN180 install is apparently straight forward.

So, when you build yours - do us a favor and document it - so we can have a thread about it.

Thanks, Rob - I’ll let y’all know if I hear anything. Getting rid of their proprietary recoil system for a different one (BR-180) has a lot of appeal. There’s a big thread I found on ARFCOM that will provide some entertainment. And FlightLite has pistol lowers in stock, but if I remember they can’t be built as rifles - right?

[LittleLebowski]

I like something short and handy, with no paperwork involved.

So, AUG.