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Thread: Week 426: Stop Shooting

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    Rampant Consumerist backtrail540's Avatar
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    Target - TA Mini Dap
    Gun P30sk with LTT dot milled slide in an enigma.
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    Hits before beep - 4
    Hits after beep - 0

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    Hits before beep - 4
    Hits after beep - 0

    It was super windy today so i just ran steel. It was a very high % target at 7 yards. It was windy enough that i had constant wind noise in my ears and thought i may struggle to hear the timer. I had it clipped to my neckline as a countermeasure. Despite this, i think i was overly focused on catching the beep and shot on auto pilot. I'm not sure it captured the essence of the drill. But there it is.
    "...and pompous fools drive me up the wall. Ordinary fools are alright; you can talk to them, and try to help them out. But pompous fools - guys who are fools and are covering it all over and impressing people as to how wonderful they are with all this hocus pocus - That, I CANNOT STAND!" - Richard Feynman

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    I'd have to give it some though related to non-LE training conditions. It's obviously a good thing to be able to deliberately stop pressing a trigger when the shooter recognizes that continued use of deadly force is no longer appropriate, reasonable and lawful. In that same vein of thought, it's also just as important to recognize when a trigger press ought not happen in the first place, even (especially?) when someone is expecting the signal/cue to shoot, is a bit (or a lot) stressed not knowing what's about to happen, the hormonal fear response ramps up, etc.

    One of the things that can happen in LE training is when someone doesn't see what there is to see, and they don't shoot when they ought to, which can mean they fail the scenario because they're 'killed'. This can also happen if someone isn't prepared for conditions of lighting at the time the training/quals are happening.

    In LE training/quals we were able to use visual cues (no-shoot/full-size picture targets which provided the cop with ample reason why a shot ought not be fired, if they were paying attention), or some other visual cue with expected 'targets' suddenly presenting (turning, or being revealed by shooter movement, etc) and identifying themselves as non-shoot situations. Even the old FATS training had 'branching' options for non-shoot situations.

    Audible signals for LE qualifying that they must stop shooting have been as simple as (following prior directions) listening for a second buzzer or another whistle to mean shooting must stop. Of course, that's presuming audible signals can be heard (over gun fire, etc), and the shooters are paying attention. And then the shooters being reminded that such signals won't happen in the real world, and they must rely on the totality of, combined with good judgment.

    Hey, if it was easy, anyone and everyone would do it.

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    This drill was too easy for me. While I was having lidocaine and steroids injected into my wrist yesterday, I asked the doc if I could hit the range this week (weather is glorious!). Her response of "NO!" came before I could even get my finger off the timer "Start" button. So, -2.x seconds for me...

    Seriously, this looks like a great drill. Once I'm over the hump with this strong hand injury (and rehabbing my frozen support shoulder), I look forward to getting through a bunch of these.

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    Looks very interesting.

    My Lizard Brain has never contemplated the concept of ‘stopping’ shooting but it makes sense. I’ll look for an opportunity to do this soon.

    Would there be some mileage to be gained doing this dry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    Looks very interesting.

    My Lizard Brain has never contemplated the concept of ‘stopping’ shooting but it makes sense. I’ll look for an opportunity to do this soon.

    Would there be some mileage to be gained doing this dry?
    Maybe. Dryfire can be a better way to practice some things because there's no blast or recoil to distract. For Stop Shooting, I'd want that distraction. One of my most memorable practice sessions was with my combatives mentor. We set up a motorized random threat/non-thread target, and after working that for a while he stood at my side and punched me hard in the solar plexus before each presentation*. That added stress and distraction for sure


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