Current state of the 1911 industry?

[Rmiked]

Is the message that we all want the 1911 to be a pistol you can trust your life with because of its place in history. But compared to other formats (like Beretta 92), an occasional FTL or FTE with a 1911, it may not be as trustworthy, if your life depended on it?

[CSW]

Concur. My 9mm 1911 was fun to shoot, and it would run, but I assessed it was on the ragged edge of reliability. I can’t see a 9mm 1911 passing any kind of rigorous adverse environmental testing.

Can you please explain why?
I guess that I am not following your thoughts?

[Willard]

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My series 1 saw mid five figures of all kinds of ammo, and eventually was gifted to a friend who lacked the means to acquire his first 1911. I believe I replaced the slide stop at some point though I don't recall why. I did stake the plunger tube. Other than that it's still a fantastically reliable, accurate weapon that cost me less than Glock money new.

What knife is that?

[Tango]

Plenty of 9MM 1911s riding in LEO holsters. Specifically in CA for some reason. I've spent most of my time with P series Sigs, G17s and 1911s in 9MM and 45. The 9MM Dan Wesson Specialist is a tack driver and makes shots that the G17 requires far more work to make. The increased accuracy definitely makes the juice worth the squeeze. I don't baby any of the pistols and they all get treated the same. There is no real difference in carrying, shooting and caring for a 1911 on LEO duty. Good holster, good belt, rock on.

[FNFAN]

I think for my needs and wants I'm starting to lean toward either the Ruger SR1911 or S&W E-series on the low end , and the Dan Wesson Vigil on the high end. Range queen with carry capability if required, with all the basic upgrades. Edit to Add: Does Dan Wesson do actual Novak sight cuts, or is it pseudo-Novaks?

Big question then is magazines. How much voodoo is involved with magazine selection?

I had a very nice Gunsite Smith and it didn’t like any magazine except those that came with it. Neither ETM or Vickers would insert all the way. Very accurate and fed everything I gave it. Between the mag issue and the “have to send it back to the mothership extractor,” it went down the road.

[JAD]

Is the message that we all want the 1911 to be a pistol you can trust your life with because of its place in history. But compared to other formats (like Beretta 92), an occasional FTL or FTE with a 1911, it may not be as trustworthy, if your life depended on it?

Not my experience. My 1911s are as reliable as my other guns.

[rd62]

Didn't TLG put quite a few thousand rounds through 9mm Springfields with good results under a pretty rigorous schedule? Its been a while since I read through the thread so maybe my memory is failing me.

I had my 9mm Colt Commander worked over by Evolution Armory and while I don't have near as many rounds through it yet as my Glocks, its markedly more accurate and is so far proving reliable with a variety of ammo and magazines. For what's invested in it, I could buy a brace of 9mm Glocks though.

My very limited experiences with Colt and Springfield have both been very positive. I feel the value proposition with the Springfield was significantly higher though. I paid more for the Springer up front but in exchange got an already lowered and flared ejection port, extended thumb safety, beaver tail grip safety, Novak sights, etc. All of which I paid Evolution to do for me on the Colt but that and a rampant pony were what I wanted.

I'm seriously considering an Alchemy of some flavor in a full size Gov't model in .45acp for my 45th birthday next year.

[HCM]

Didn't TLG put quite a few thousand rounds through 9mm Springfields with good results under a pretty rigorous schedule? Its been a while since I read through the thread so maybe my memory is failing me.

I had my 9mm Colt Commander worked over by Evolution Armory and while I don't have near as many rounds through it yet as my Glocks, its markedly more accurate and is so far proving reliable with a variety of ammo and magazines. For what's invested in it, I could buy a brace of 9mm Glocks though.

My very limited experiences with Colt and Springfield have both been very positive. I feel the value proposition with the Springfield was significantly higher though. I paid more for the Springer up front but in exchange got an already lowered and flared ejection port, extended thumb safety, beaver tail grip safety, Novak sights, etc. All of which I paid Evolution to do for me on the Colt but that and a rampant pony were what I wanted.

I'm seriously considering an Alchemy of some flavor in a full size Gov't model in .45acp for my 45th birthday next year.

Mixed results. The guns (SA Custom shop 1911s) did well, but not as well as sone more modern guns.

SACS/Warren Reliability at 50,000 Rounds:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/8464

It’s worth noting that Todd G’s review of the SACS/Warren guns created quite a demand But those who purchase them from the next batch had multiple problematic guns.

I’m sure Todd’s results were accurate but Springfield’s Achilles’ heel has been inconsistent quality.

Some of my favorite 1911s are Springfields and some of the worst 1911s I’ve had I’ve also been Springfields.

Re: Your Commander - It is probably not much more mechanically accurate than a GEN 5 Glock but it may very well be easier to shoot to its potential than a Glock.

[JAD]

What knife is that?

Spyderco Bob Lum (https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/det...hp?product=367). The green scales are unusual.

[Tango]

Mixed results. The guns (SA Custom shop 1911s) did well, but not as well as sone more modern guns.

SACS/Warren Reliability at 50,000 Rounds:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/8464

It’s worth noting that Todd G’s review of the SACS/Warren guns created quite a demand But those who purchase them from the next batch had multiple problematic guns.

I’m sure Todd’s results were accurate but Springfield’s Achilles’ heel has been inconsistent quality.

Some of my favorite 1911s are Springfields and some of the worst 1911s I’ve had I’ve also been Springfields.

Re: Your Commander - It is probably not much more mechanically accurate than a GEN 5 Glock but it may very well be easier to shoot to its potential than a Glock.

There in is the difference that sets the 1911 apart in my opinion. The ability to run that thing like a raped ape, with greater accuracy, is a no brainer in my opinion. You have to work at 25 yards to a degree, to get the same accuracy and shot placement on the G17 vs the 9MM Dan Wesson Specialist. The same can also be said that you work less with a G17 at 25 yards in comparison to a P229DAK in 40 S&W.

This is why the Stacatto P has just caught on like wild fire. The size of a G19, capacity galore and the ergonomics and trigger of a 1911.