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    Holosun circle and circle dot for EDC

    For pure technical shooting, I prefer a single dot over circle and circle dot reticles, such as what is offered on a number of Holosun pistol optics. In low sun angles, the Sig Romeo 3 Max and Romeo 3 XL are head and shoulders above all other choices in terms of a usable dot in the widest range of sun conditions. Of course the R3 Max and XL are competition oriented optics, and not suitable for EDC due to their relative fragility and how they (don't) play with BUIS.

    For EDC, I have come to believe a Holosun circle or circle dot reticle is the most forgiving reticle available across a wide range of sun angles, varying light AND with an imperfect index that results in an off center dot. Stick that optic into a low sun angle in the desert, where an individual dot is indistinguishable from sun splatter, and the circle provides a perfect aiming reference. If you have ever shot a legacy AUG much, you will instantly understand the concept of a "donut of death."

    The only downsides to the circle and circle dot reticle I have noted is they go through batteries quicker in the 507K which has no auto setting or solar assist. Also, the 509T is unique in it offers a dot and circle dot, but not my preferred circle.

    If you haven't messed with just a circle reticle for EDC, check it out!
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    I'm new to RDS and I am running my 507K-X2 with the circle and dot. I don't see anything negative about it from my vantage point.
    The pros to it though are that it's way easier to learn and pick up a huge 32 MOA circle. With practice I've gotten way more comfortable with a dot because of this. I've shot in various lighting and it works all around. I'm now a big RDS fan.

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    I use the circle on my 365 and Hellcat for EDC although I prefer the dot for the range. I swap guns periodically so they spend a goodly amount of time sleeping. Both have only been in service about 9 months and the original batteries are still holding up fine.

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    My experience is comparing the circle dot and dot, Holosun 507C, from conceal carry, 7 yards, 3”x5” index card, timed first shot on target. My accuracy was better with dot only and times were similar.

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    With astigmatism, the Eotech circle dot was less than ideal for me. Last Friday night, as the sun went down, the circle dot turned into a pixelated blob. I could not see through it, until I turned the brightness way down. This happened over the course of a 15yd walk back, so not much time. What worked at 10 yards, was completely unusable at 25. My range is situated facing east, so the sun sets over my shoulder. I could blame it on monovision correction, but I've never had that issue with other dots. Perhaps a case of too much clutter that I could not "see through". Experience like this just furthers my belief that RDS on pistols is not for me, at this time.

    Understandably, my situation may not apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCT125US View Post
    With astigmatism, the Eotech circle dot was less than ideal for me. Last Friday night, as the sun went down, the circle dot turned into a pixelated blob. I could not see through it, until I turned the brightness way down. This happened over the course of a 15yd walk back, so not much time. What worked at 10 yards, was completely unusable at 25. My range is situated facing east, so the sun sets over my shoulder. I could blame it on monovision correction, but I've never had that issue with other dots. Perhaps a case of too much clutter that I could not "see through". Experience like this just furthers my belief that RDS on pistols is not for me, at this time.

    Understandably, my situation may not apply.
    You should try just a circle, which you will naturally center your target in.

    Good light, good day, I prefer a single dot. Go stick a dirty lens into a weird sun angle, or with a less than perfect grip and the appeal of the circle becomes obvious. Just a circle also minimizes dot wobble.
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    I dig circle only
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCT125US View Post
    With astigmatism, the Eotech circle dot was less than ideal for me. Last Friday night, as the sun went down, the circle dot turned into a pixelated blob. I could not see through it, until I turned the brightness way down. This happened over the course of a 15yd walk back, so not much time. What worked at 10 yards, was completely unusable at 25. My range is situated facing east, so the sun sets over my shoulder. I could blame it on monovision correction, but I've never had that issue with other dots. Perhaps a case of too much clutter that I could not "see through". Experience like this just furthers my belief that RDS on pistols is not for me, at this time.

    Understandably, my situation may not apply.
    Another issue is the Eotech is a projected hologram, not a simple light projection onto glass. This could make it less forgiving for your lighting situation and astigmatism.

    As an aside, a buddy with astigmatism went to see a "name" eye specialist about possible PRK/Lasik for distance vision correction, and the eye specialist opined that astigmatism has nothing to do with distorted dots. Since I wasn't there, couldn't get more detailed info, and I wonder about this "specialist's" bona fides, since nearly everyone I know with astigmatism complains about dot distortion...

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    I have significant astigmatism but dots don’t bother me.

    Brightness blob I don’t think has anything to do with it.

    That’s why I like a good light auto adjust sensor like the RMR or RMSc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    The only downsides to the circle and circle dot reticle I have noted is they go through batteries quicker in the 507K which has no auto setting or solar assist. Also, the 509T is unique in it offers a dot and circle dot, but not my preferred circle.

    If you haven't messed with just a circle reticle for EDC, check it out!
    I did not realize the 407k/507k didn't have an auto setting. I knew they didn't have the solor but I guess I had assumed they would still do the auto thing which is a bummer. I guess it's a good thing the battery can be replaced without taking it off the pistol at least. How quickly are your going through batteries on yours?

    The 32 MOA circle holosun offers is really great for pistol centric shooting. Your brain hears 32 MOA and you instinctively think "This is massive!" but in reality it's only about 8" at 25 yards and less the closer your target is. For most EDC shots that is actually more than sufficiently small. The 32 MOA circle is about the same width as the A-zone of a USPSA target at 15 yards and slightly smaller than the C-zone at 25 yards. See pics here:
    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....ious-distances

    That said I still prefer the 407CO 8 MOA circle the most. Something about my eyes (mild astigmatism or whatever) that 8 MOA circle looks perfect; the 32 MOA ring looks crisp but the 2 MOA dot in the center still looks like a starburst a bit. I can certainly work with it but I just love how simple that 8 MOA circle is. If Holosun would put that 8 MOA circle in their enclosed 509 body I would happily swap all my pistol optics out with it for the improved mounting system and peace of mind from the enclosed optic.

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