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Thread: No limp wrist, but Muzzle bounce?

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    Much better shooters than me have already commented, but I thought the video looked pretty good overall. (Albeit with the trigger discipline issue that's already been discussed). Professional instruction and dry fire are the way forward from here. .

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    It is possible that @Chomps isn't gripping hard enough with his support hand, but not necessarily. His hand might just be tired from overgripping?

    Take high speed video of your recoil cycle from the side, and make sure there are some horizontal landmarks visible in the background. Look for: gun moving inside the grip, grip separating, or the trigger guard moving away from the support hand. (Hwansik Kim has some excellent videos on this). If none of those things is happening you may not need to grip harder. Many shooters overgrip (for their level of training), and end up with a ton of tension which makes learning to shoot better hard. As well, people end up with injuries.

    Honestly, I blame Vogel for some of this. I do not like his grip style, and think it is a poor choice for most shooters. Bottom line: you don't need to do anything weird to shoot at the very top of human performance. Some of the world's best shooters have weird-ass grips, and Vogel is among them. Many other top shooters simply grip the gun naturally with both hands, and grip "really hard" with the support hand, and "pretty hard" with the firing hand.
    Please recognize that I'm a C class shooter, and this gentlemen is far better than I am.

    I will agree that Vogel's grip doesnt work for me. I don't shoot a Glock, and I don't torque my hands inward.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Chomps View Post
    New shooter, posted a few times regarding a warranty issue with my first gun purchase. Now own two 9mm handguns and have shot roughly 1.5-2 thousand rounds or so thru them. (...EXPENSIVE obsession!!) :O

    Finally got around to asking someone if they wouldn't mind shooting a little video of me shooting so I could see what was going on with my attempts at recoil management. I still get some btf issues, but altho Im not experienced enough to be certain, it doesn't appear to me that I'm limp wristing the gun.

    I am noticing that the front muzzle bounces a bit after most shots before the barrel & sights settle. Is this normal? Am I maybe holding the weapon with my wrists too stiff? I've been watching some YT vids of other ppl shooting. I see this little bounce in the muzzle in some instances and not so much or even at all in others. Sometimes it occurs off & on during the series of shots from the same mag dump. 🤷*♂️


    I have signed up for some more in depth training this summer. Im taking the MDFI "You Suck! It's Not tge Gun!" Class in August. Hopefully it wiil suss out & help solve any obvious issues.

    Anyway,.. here's the video I have. I appreciate any feedback or advice. (...I know its not much but I just asked the stranger in the lane next to me if he wouldn't mind doing this while his wife was reloading her mags. Lol. )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL6p9VSD5Xs




    Btw,.. here's the group from that series. @ 5m!

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    How are you gripping the gun? What I mean by that is are you focusing on anything when you grip or are you just squeezing?

    The more you shoot the more you will learn and looks like you're doing great so far! Much better recoil control than I usually see at indoor ranges.

    There's different philosophies on grip. I used to mimic the Vogel grip in the video and I'm not saying that you absolutely should not do it but Vogel is a freak of nature. He has insane grip strength and his style of gripping works for someone like that.

    Remember, you don't need to have a super strong grip to control recoil. It's about applying pressure in the right areas. That will come more more practice in dry and live fire.
    "Shooting is 90% mental. The rest is in your head." -Nils

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    I think this video is excellent, although the most important part is about recoil control, trigger control.

    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    2nd video Weird Thumb Slippage support hand.

    I got some better video of my grip,... (And made certain to consciously correct that Horrible trigger finger F'-Up!)

    I am about 250 rounds into the session at this point & I am definitely noticing fatigue. (...shot another 100 after this before calling it a day.). What I was surprised to see in this video, is that strange slipping of the thumb on my support hand. It drops down from it's higher support position during/after the recoil. I imagine I'm not focussed on squeezing hard enough with the support hand. Whether due to fatigue, or just generally sloppy technique? I suppose I need to get some video from earlier in a range session, before I'm getting tired to know for sure.

    On another note,.. I know a lot of guys here absolutely hate the idea of settling for "Good Enough!" But IMHO,.. I feel My accuracy isn't too terribly horrible for a guy who's NEVER planning to aspire to be a competition, or some 'High speed Operator' type of shooter. I'm Simply looking for effective speed & accuracy for personal defense purposes. That said,... I Do get a little wood when I can manage a nice grouping! LoL

    This is again, My Glock 19, shooting @ a distance of 5 yards.



    Here's the grouping of this 15 round series.
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    You’re pushing down with your thumbs instead of pushing in. That’s why the slippage of the weak thumb.

    When I’m gripping, my thumbs are bent and I’m pushing straight through the side of the frame.

    Strong thumb YOU:

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    ME:

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    Weak thumb YOU:

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    ME:

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    This is my standing freehand group with my carry gun (P365) at 10 yards:

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    I'll toss my thoughts into the ring.

    Guns are just machines and without you they can do no harm, nor any good

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.E. Kelley View Post
    I'll toss my thoughts into the ring.

    Well,.. I'd say it's pretty hard to argue with shooting groups like that with eyes shut!! Lol

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    Adding to what #HCM said... athletic stance. Your weight in being moved backward with each shot. I'm betting your stance is flat footed. Adopt a slightly weight forward stance and position your feet so they look more like a fighter's. You are fighting after all. Right handed shooter should have his/her left toes slightly ahead of their right toes. Feet shoulder width apart. Weight on the front 2/3 of the feet. This is just a basic idea. Everyone has their own take on the formula that is "right" for them. This should correct that upper body movement. Listen to the others about your grip. Really!
    "Knowledge is good." Emil Faber, date unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.E. Kelley View Post
    I'll toss my thoughts into the ring.
    Just realized that one of my very favorite YouTube gun guys is here among us. Thanks for your very well done videos, sir.

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