Probably they are gone forever .
"Therefore, since the world has still... Much good, but much less good than ill,
And while the sun and moon endure, Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
I'd face it as a wise man would, And train for ill and not for good." -- A.E. Housman
Lookin' out my back door...
...there's a giant doing cartwheels!
There's nothing civil about this war.
There aren't any movies made with helicopters in Vietnam scenes...
Think for yourself. Question authority.
I am amused by the direction of my thread.
From Older Offspring after a discussion of coffee:
"If it doesn't come from the Kaffa province of Ethiopia, it's just hot roasted-bean juice."