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    Back on topic, please. If you want to discuss the politics of it or various players, feel free to start another thread but this one should be for the trial and it's affects on law enforcement.
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    I just finished listening to all the testimony of the MPD UoF expert. I think Nelson did a good job on his cross examination. I wasnít super impressed with the states performance. I was extremely interested in listening to the testimony about the UoF policy. Made me think about being on the stand defending our policy or explaining it. Good food for thought. We donít have a statewide policy like I believe MN has. And we donít use a continuum. And I wrote ours so Iíve got no one to blame if itís FUBAR 😂.

    Gonna try to listen to the ďmedical coordinatorĒ before I go to bed. I thought it was interesting that the defense decided on calling her as a defense witness after she was done testifying for the state the other day. Iím dying to see how that goes.
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    Very good article from McCarthy today (@BehindBlueI's with possible implications for LEO's)

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...ilure-of-care/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrero View Post
    Very good article from McCarthy today (@BehindBlueI's with possible implications for LEO's)

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...ilure-of-care/
    Good article. Thanks for the link.
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    Failure to render care

    Thatís an interesting article

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    I agree...an interesting article. I may be wrong, but my take is that whether he deserves it or not (and I am not expressing any opinion on that here), Chauvin is likely to be sacrificed for the "greater good" of the city and the department and that will drive the outcome of the trial. Jurors fearing reprisals or at least disapproval of friends and family if they come up with the "wrong" result is probably a factor as well.

    I would hope that justice will prevail, but in my experience, the best way to corrupt a criminal trial is to subject it to massive media attention and inject "public interest" type significance to it. Too many people then have their future career choices, media appearances, book deals, etc., etc. riding on the outcome. Not to mention threats to burn down cities.

    Some people say I am cynical. I suspect they are at least partially correct.

    I apologize for not knowing this; I am not really following this thing closely. Am I correct in my understanding that the official report from the ME was that the death was homicide?
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    As per the AP:

    George Floyd died from a lack of oxygen, expert tells Derek Chauvin's trial

    George Floyd died of a lack of oxygen from being pinned facedown on the pavement with his hands cuffed behind him, a medical expert testified Thursday at former Officer Derek Chauvin's murder trial.
    Floyd's breathing while he was being held down by Chauvin and other officers was too shallow to take in enough oxygen, which in turn damaged his brain and caused an abnormal heart rhythm that made his heart stop, said Dr. Martin Tobin, a lung and critical care specialist at the Edward Hines, Jr. VA Hospital and Loyola University's medical school in Chicago.
    He took the stand as part of an effort by prosecutors to establish that it was Chauvin's actions ó not Floyd's illegal drug use and underlying health conditions, as the defence contends ó that killed the 46-year-old Black man last May
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    Some very damning testimony today from a physician who is testifying as an expert without compensation.

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/de...08/id/1016869/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrero View Post
    Very good article from McCarthy today (@BehindBlueI's with possible implications for LEO's)

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...ilure-of-care/
    I largely agree, and it's what I've said from the beginning. Holding him Floyd face down for so long was against current training and I can't think of a justification for it. It's both excessive force and failure to render aid. I don't think it's Murder, but it might be MN's Murder 3. We don't have a 'depraved heart' standard, so I'm not entirely sure how one proves it, but if a callous disregard for life qualifies I think you might sell a jury on holding someone down after they don't have a pulse as callous disregard.
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    With regard to the (3?) charges against Ofc. Chauvin, can somebody summarize what the possible sentencing outcomes are for each, if guilty, and who decides the sentence? I assume they are a range of prison sentences involved?

    Iím also confused, since I donít know how this works, but why is he charged with three varying levels of crime?
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