And I have zero issues with subjective interpretations of tactical principles. But Mike breaking his master grip on the pistol while controlling the muzzle to the flanks most assuredly is a compromised shooting position. What you describe as "athletic" is open to interpretation. I can most assuredly move quickly and fight from a number of seemingly "compromised' or dare I say "unathletic" positions.
Nope. Different guy, different program, same client.This guy you speak of. Is he the watch maker?
It's because you sound like someone who played Call of Duty and read some stuff on the internet for entertainment and clearly think you understand stuff that you clearly do not. Given some of the verbiage you've used, at best you sound like someone that went through SOI-MCT...probably some years ago, or maybe you got admin'd out of service....and haven't done anything since.
The idea that our tactics were developed out of sim runs is fucking ludicrous and underscores how ignorant and out of touch with reality you are.
Your approach to this conversation sounds extremely "academic" (and unschooled, at that) as opposed to experiential. In this thread, you've had numerous patrol and SWAT officers speak to their use of these tactics by themselves and their organizations, as well as a true, verifiable SME who trains higher level practitioners for when they have a Very Bad DayTM. To the other end of the spectrum, here's a screenshot from the last mission I ran before coming home on R&R recently:
The people here are not talking out of their rear-ends using theoreticals that aren't grounded in the bad experiences of those who went before us and learned stuff the hard way so that we don't have to. If I or my team mates have to move through those buildings pictured above, our tactics are not theoretical based on sim gun games. So, yeah, sorry/not sorry that we think you're a fucking boob.
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"Are you ready? Okay. Let's roll."- Last words of Todd Beamer
Im open to a discussion. A great deal of this conversation seems people demanding to know what my background is, demanding I train with specific individuals, then demanding how I could have the audacity to challenge their train of thought.
No more. No less. Discussion.
Craig discussed his lean towards the notion of conforming to the shape/environment you are in to maximize vision.
I disagree with that to an extent.
I laid out my approach to these problems.
So you've called me a noob. A boob...let's find a third that rhymes. You've also shat on any graduate of SOI or MCT.
Sure thing, hero. Pretty sure I'm not the only Marine here, and I'm pretty sure all of them here (including the P-F.com member who was one of my combat instructors some 15 years ago, teaching us this stuff, and is now a senior NCO overseeing the instruction of tactics from a programmatic level) would agree with me that the basic program is very limited and has some severe knowledge gaps when it comes to operating outside the concept of a provisional rifle squad.
So, I guess I'll take that as a "yes".
"Are you ready? Okay. Let's roll."- Last words of Todd Beamer
If you're new here and not a retread, I'll help you out. How you know what you know is a very helpful thing to know in an Internet discussion. Nobody is demanding you train with anyone, but if you don't think your experience is helpful in evaluating how seriously to take your ideas or criticisms I don't know what to tell you. If you have an odd bump on your forearm and Dude A is an oncologist, Dude B is a dermatologist, and Dude C is a street cop even if you know jack-diddly-shit about the danger of odd bumps you'd probably know A and B are offering better advice and weight that accordingly if they conflict with C. That's so basic in human interaction it shouldn't have to be explained, but for some reason when conversations happen online it sometimes gets lost.
Sorta around sometimes for some of your shitty mod needs.
Just for the record, I haven't taken anything thing you've said or your on-line comportment as being maliciously argumentative or disrespectful. I think tactics discussions are laborious and can get into being tedious depending on the time and energy that one has to devote to them with carefully, curated writing. I trend towards avoiding them usually because of my travel schedule and a limited amount of time and resources to actually give meaningful, nuanced, engagement.
And I'm not the last word AT ALL. There are quite a few former commandos on closed programs that disagree with me on a lot of things. Getting a consensus among a group like that is literally herding cats.