I actually prefer a good 1x oriented LPVO to a red dot for 0-50 (assuming passive NVG use is not necessary). I can see more through the optic in more lighting conditions than I can with a red dot, and I don't have to compromise reticle brightness to be able to see an aiming reference when using a white light. The only downside for me is the weight.Originally Posted by M2CattleCo
Brian Costanza, the Oklahoma Trooper involved in 5 shootings, makes a pretty good case for the LPVO in this interview with Mike Seeklander: https://americanwarriorshow.libsyn.c...brian-costanza
I don't have the timestamp on hand, but it's right around the time where he describes ending the shooting where he engaged through his windshield.
Hell yes, an etched reticle is good with a white light in the dark. I ran an NXS 1-4 FC3G for a long time and that reticle is still my favorite. The NX8 has much better optical quality and is a lot better scope.
The trend towards 1st focal plane LPVOs has been a step in the wrong direction for the lower half of the mag range IMO.
Perhaps LPVOs are good for hunting, competition and LARPing, but RDO's are only good for LARPing?
I'm not trying to be too snarky/serious/critical/argumentative here, more so lighthearted and amusing, so please don't think I'm taking myself very seriously. It's just my real life experience of using rifles in real life.
I've actually used my 'house' AR with LPVO to for varmint/pest control many times. I wouldn't have preferred a RDO for many of these experiences. I also use it to practice the 'zen' of long(ish) range marksmanship for recreational purposes-mostly for the pure fun of target shooting. To me, a LPVO is practically useful for hunting, recreation/competition, and general homesteading concerns. It's a practical rifle setup that could easily be used to defend against humans in an extremely unlikely scenario (to me).
RDOs seem most useful for battles against bad guys "CQB" style (to me). This seems more like LARPing than the other things (to me). I hope I never have to see it differently! In this scenario a shotgun may actually be less LARPy in a US civilian context, as Tom Givins has talked about many times. To me, RDOs have more utility on a shotgun or pistol than a rifle.
Agreed. That's what pushed me towards the 2-10 power scope to replace the 1-6. IMO an LPVO is pointless if it's not built around the goal of maximizing 1x performance, which to me means SFP (or an extremely good FFP reticle I guess - Vortex 1-10 seems like maybe they've pulled this off).
Sure they can be used out to much farther, but the quality of my far vision + astigmatism makes a 2MOA red dot substantially more challenging to use on far, small targets than a 1-x LPVO.Who said anything about an RDS only being good for “nearby”?
About the only thing more satisfying than using a red dot to out-shoot the guy with the LPVO is using irons to do it.
Shooting varmints with a scoped rifle is solidly in the territory of scoped rifle things.
An AR setup for CQB and kept for the role of home defense is no more larpy than concealed carrying a pistol when out about your daily life.
Shotguns can be effective, but using a shotgun, especially a pump, when an appropriate AR is available is just poor decision making in 2021.
which is also part of the fun.
The thread is already polluted with people using LE and mil justifications for their fun applications, so I'll leave it there, but the original point was there's this new-age misconception that RDS and irons are somehow only for close range shooting, which is ridiculous and was the point of my original reply.
I say this a long-time astigmatism sufferer that still remembers when RDS were new and "flattop" ARs without stainless-steel or HBAR barrels were hard to find.
want to get gooderer at shooting? spend some time with irons. I'm sure your gunfight will wait.
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That alone steers some of us to LVPOs.
For the person with one or two ARs that are going to have to do "everything," a quality LPVO becomes very attractive.
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Tradeoffs... My two favorite optics are an Elcan Specter DR 1x/4x (SFP) and the Mk6 1-6x (FFP).
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I agree.
FFP for DMR work but for a general carbine optics SFP is best.
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