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    Is there load data out there? I think I have an old Lyman manual that was my grandpa’s, I’ll check if I can find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    Is there load data out there? I think I have an old Lyman manual that was my grandpa’s, I’ll check if I can find it.
    For any particular bullet? There's a couple pages of .44 Russian load data in my copy of the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie john View Post
    What's the charge? I'm guessing 4-5 grains of Unique or a bit less 231.


    Okie John
    I am actually using Titegroup.

    The book load stated a max load of 4.2 for 837 FPS with a 240, but that was not even remotely accurate (in terms of actual velocity).

    Like normal, I started low and worked up.

    I chronographed a few revolvers.
    speeds as follows:
    4.6 grains

    6" revolver 800 FPS
    5" revolver 785 FPS
    4" revolver 750 FPS

    I found that the faster you drive it, the better it shot, accuracy wise, but my goal was for a soft shooting load, so I stuck to a mild load.

    It would be very easy to up the velocity, and I probably will with the SWCs and the full wadcutters, just for kicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    Is there load data out there? I think I have an old Lyman manual that was my grandpa’s, I’ll check if I can find it.
    There is data out there, but one has to remember that it is geared towards old/antique guns actually chambered in .44 Russian.

    I am using modern brass that is the exact same brass as .44 mag and .44 Special. It is just cut at different lengths, so it is very strong. In reality I could drive a 240 at 900+ FPS with no problem if I wanted to. The problem is that you don't want someone to put such a load into an old S&W Model 3 and blow the thing up and injure themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    Is there load data out there? I think I have an old Lyman manual that was my grandpa’s, I’ll check if I can find it.
    From Lyman #40:

    .44 Russian:
    #429106 (175-grain RNL) 3.0 grains Bullseye/800 fps; 7.0 grains Unique/1100 fps
    #429251 (253-grain RNL) 3.0 grains Bullseye/630 fps; 6.0 grains Unique/800 fps

    .44 Special:
    #429348 (175-grain WC) 6.8 grains Bullseye/1055 fps; 10.3 grains Unique/1170 fps
    #429421 (245-grain SWC) 4.9 grains Bullseye/805 fps; 7.8 grains Unique/970 fps

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    Actually, wouldn't that be the little Czarist that could?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost River View Post
    Fairly accurate side too:

    These were shot over my hood, not exactly a bench rest....

    25 yards.





    The Russian makes for killer little full wadcutter loads.





    For punching paper or for in the home, or for small/medium game.

    A great way to make a Model 29 even more versatile.

    They also make the Model 329 Scandium actually FUN to shoot, which I cannot say too often.

    Love the stocks on your 29. Are they Ropers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trooper224 View Post
    Actually, wouldn't that be the little Czarist that could?
    Well played Sir,

    Too bad I sold my 8" .44 Anaconda a few years back when the prices went nuts for them.

    With CZ buying Colt, it would be a perfect opportunity for all manner of terrible one liners. Blue would have a field day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost River View Post

    The Russian makes for killer little full wadcutter loads.



    Hmmm, this just made my little Rossi 720 perk up with interest...
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