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Thread: Canadian Special Forces pulls P320s from service after soldier injured by misfire

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnc36rcpd View Post
    Which JSOC unit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borderland View Post
    Vehicle combat losses in Iraq since 2003 (approx.)

    M1 Abrams tanks 20
    Bradley fighting vehicles 50
    Stryker wheeled combat vehicles 20
    M113 armored personnel carriers 20
    Humvees 250
    Fox wheeled reconnaissance vehicles, mine clearing vehicles,
    heavy and medium trucks and trailers, more than 500
    Apache attack helicopters 27
    Black Hawk utility helicopters 21
    Chinook cargo helicopters 14
    Kiowa assault helicopters 23
    Source: Army Times February 20, 2006

    https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-...T_SHORTAGE.PDF

    No A10s lost?

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    Is there a theory on the exact cause of this discharge beyond bad company, bad design?
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Watson View Post
    An inadvertent pistol discharge into the leg usually involves a holster.

    And I guess I have to revise my vocabulary, I always thought a "misfire" was a failure to fire, not an inadvertent discharge.
    The article I read said the holster was for a P226 that had been “modified” to accept the P320.

    Does not mean that’s the truth.

    Maybe it’s just me but with such a SHORT trigger pull that pistol seriously needs an external safety for duty use - which would include daily carry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by psalms144.1 View Post
    Sig won the MHS contract exclusively on price per unit. Think about that for a minute - Sig underbid Glock while promising to produce a pistol with double the parts and an extremely more complicated assembly process. Sig is in the business of making money - they're banking on the press from the MHS to bring LE and civilian buyers into the fold. "Well, the Army tested this thing and selected it..."
    Not true. The second phase of testing was never completed. Fact.

    Odd politics took place before any discussion of price or which of the two pistols was the best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    They were pulled immediately.

    The not drop safe issues and SIG not being honest about them are real but not nearly as prevalent as they are made out to be. The biggest issue is still loose nut behind the trigger.

    For example in the July lawsuit (which involved a non upgraded original P320) they cite multiple examples of P320s going off "uncommanded" however at least 2/3 were clearly ND not AD. In particular one involving my agency in NYC was witnessed on the range during training and is 100% ND not AD.


    Even if the user didn't touch the trigger, holsters are not used in a vacuum. Things get in trigger guards and result in ND's all the time, especially when wearing gear, winter clothing etc. That's before you factor in not using the correct holster.
    All the more reason for Striker Control Devices, External Safeties and Double Action trigger pulls...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    All the more reason for Striker Control Devices, External Safeties and Double Action trigger pulls...


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    Or LEM...

    Best, Jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInWA View Post
    Or LEM...

    Best, Jon

    Yep, LEM. Best keep secret in the world of duty pistols. Nobody gets shot holstering a pistol with your thumb on the hammer. No safety and no decocker because you don't need one. I wouldn't expect the military to even consider the benefits though.
    In the P-F basket of deplorables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S154 View Post
    You do know that a JSOC unit or "SMU" is issuing a P320 variant, right?
    Yes More than one AFAIK, if you expand that to SOCOM.

    I heard one SMU was using an X5 variant, others in SOCOM are doing M18's, I think with an X carry grip and a magwell like the Danish 320.

    There were always some Berettas, 1911s and a few HKs floating around too but Glock is still the solid majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borderland View Post
    Yep, LEM. Best keep secret in the world of duty pistols.
    That is essentially true. Surprisingly so.
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