FBI agents shot serving warrant in Florida

[andre3k]

Well, when every swinging dick in the wind seems to think they knew the better way to do it, it certainly seems so to me.

I didn't get that feeling from this thread at all. There was a bit of thread drift and people started discussing running warrants in a general sense, not necessarily pointing fingers at the deceased agents.

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[LittleLebowski]

I'm not going to get dragged into another pissing match with you about taking offense about my offense or something.

The comment stands as is: people are talking out of their ass.

Then report them, by all means. It’s not like I don’t have a very salty LEO moderator.

[blues]

The conversation took a different track when a question of tactics was raised (not specific to the current matter). The replies certainly don't indicate that the respondents articulating pros and cons don't know the difference between search and arrest warrants.

I'm willing to bet that my old retired ass executed more than most...and even at my advanced age I still remember the difference.

Time to stop throwing each other under the bus.

ETA: I see that our colleague @andre3k made the same point while I was typing.

[FNFAN]

Sadly, as it turns out, the female FBI Special Agent Laura Schwartzenberger, killed by this madman hails from my home town. She was a standout high school swimmer.

Her coach had this memory of her:

"Cecil Townsend, swim and dive coach for Pueblo South High School between 1992 and 1998, remembered the four years of coaching Schwartzenberger on the diving team.

"She was an excellent diver," he recalled, noting she had not only "survived" his coaching, but earned the city championship title and league championship title in 1996, in addition to being a finalist at the state diving competition for the year. "Laura was a quiet but intense person. Everyone on the team just loved her."

He noted her love and devotion to her family, as well as the way she did her best at all her tasks.

"She was a joy to coach," he said. "A lot of what people are messaging me about — all of it is just how friendly and caring she was with everyone. It can be pretty challenging sometimes to coach high school girls ... but she was never involved in any conflict."

He remembered following her with some interest in the years following high school as she went on to study criminology at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, where she competed as a diver for one year with the Rams.

"When you work with somebody for that many years, you get real close to kids," he said. "When you see their name on the news, it's just heartbreaking. I know she loved what she did."

It sounds as she had that rare mix of extremely high competence while holding on to and spreading joy to those in her life.

We are diminished.

[HCM]

Warning #1-I am speaking in generalities based on my training, education and experience. I "know" nothing more that what has been reported in the news. I have not reviewed the search warrant nor the affidavit filed therewith. I have no information at all regarding the subject beyond his name and what has been reported in the news in the last few hours.

Warning #2-This is my present primary practice area

Some in this thread are conflating "best practices" for serving a search warrant with serving an arrest warrant such that their comments while perhaps being heartfelt, are totally inapplicable to the situation at hand.

These agents were reportedly serving a search warrant. Most subjects who receive/distribute/possess/access and/or product images/videos of child exploitation/abuse/rape keep their collections on multiple interconnected devices to include devices typically found in the home. Therefore, the home is almost always where PC is going to be. It is a matter of public record that the default and most common timeframe to serve a federal search warrant is 0600 to 2200. As this incident reportedly happened at 0604, they clearly had made the decision to serve it as early as they could.

Offices and agents differ re the tactics used and personnel deployed serving of search warrants on these individuals. Offices and agents differ on whether a subject will even be arrested the day the warrant is served or whether they will be arrested at a later date after the forensic examination of the seized device(s) has taken place.

Prayers up and out to all involved and their families.

Having assisted with a couple dozen of these,(unfortunately including a couple LEOs / ex LEOs) everything VCD posted is spot on. I'm not comfortable discussing TTPs (so don't ask) but 1) suffice to say there are investigative strategy and legal / case strategy reasons why certain things are done the way they are even if they might not be the first choice from a pure tactics POV; 2) The people who work VCAC are very aware that both subjects who receive/distribute/possess/access and/or product images/videos of child exploitation/abuse/rape and "hands on" child sexual abuse suspects (who are often CP producers) are high risk for homicide / suicide due to both the official penalties and the social stigma. No one wants these type suspect's walking on a technicality so sometimes risks are necessary to further the case. Taking that a step further, just like the priority of life scale in active shooter cases, where officers are #2, in hands on or production cases the balance of officer safety vs victim safety tilts towards victim safety.

[Hambo]

I didn't get that feeling from this thread at all. There was a bit of thread drift and people started discussing running warrants in a general sense, not necessarily pointing fingers at the deceased agents.

Me either. Anybody who has served high risk warrants knows it could be, or could have been, them that got shot or killed. No one was speaking ill of the dead or wounded in Miami.

Also, thanks to @John Hearne for posting the link. If you haven't listened to it, you should. It's more about prevalence and tech issues than horrifying details of cases.

[LittleLebowski]

Sadly, as it turns out, the female FBI Special Agent Laura Schwartzenberger, killed by this madman hails from my home town. She was a standout high school swimmer.

Her coach had this memory of her:

"Cecil Townsend, swim and dive coach for Pueblo South High School between 1992 and 1998, remembered the four years of coaching Schwartzenberger on the diving team.

"She was an excellent diver," he recalled, noting she had not only "survived" his coaching, but earned the city championship title and league championship title in 1996, in addition to being a finalist at the state diving competition for the year. "Laura was a quiet but intense person. Everyone on the team just loved her."

He noted her love and devotion to her family, as well as the way she did her best at all her tasks.

"She was a joy to coach," he said. "A lot of what people are messaging me about — all of it is just how friendly and caring she was with everyone. It can be pretty challenging sometimes to coach high school girls ... but she was never involved in any conflict."

He remembered following her with some interest in the years following high school as she went on to study criminology at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, where she competed as a diver for one year with the Rams.

"When you work with somebody for that many years, you get real close to kids," he said. "When you see their name on the news, it's just heartbreaking. I know she loved what she did."

It sounds as she had that rare mix of extremely high competence while holding on to and spreading joy to those in her life.

We are diminished.

Damn. We are diminished.

[LittleLebowski]

Suspect identified.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...er-consultant/

The FBI announced on Wednesday that David Lee Huber was the child pornography suspect who killed FBI Special Agents Laura Schwartzenberger and Daniel Alfin before killing himself on Tuesday in Sunrise.

The FBI also suspected Huber, 55, a computer consultant, of violent crimes against children. He had surveillance cameras at his apartment when the agents arrived to execute a federal warrant at the Water Terrace Apartments, 10000 Reflections Blvd. W., Apt. 102.

[JohnO]

The bad guy observed the Special Agents on his doorbell camera and opened fire through the door.

Straight up ambush, right there.

Are LEOs updating protocols in the “ring” era? I sure hope so.

I have friends who can see inside and outside their home via security cameras wherever they are located. Plenty of people have peep holes in doors. I never open my door to a doorbell ring without going to a window and looking to see who it there.

I just don't get how a team of people doing whet they did can't anticipate something like what happened?

[Caballoflaco]

I have friends who can see inside and outside their home via security cameras wherever they are located. Plenty of people have peep holes in doors. I never open my door to a doorbell ring without going to a window and looking to see who it there.

I just don't get how a team of people doing whet they did can't anticipate something like what happened?

If you had read the whole thread you would see various people with lots of experience in this line of work and explaining The Who’s what’s and whys as best they can on a public forum without exposing ttp’s.