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    Week 410: El Presidente Three Ways

    Week 410: El Presidente Three Ways

    Results may be posted until February 28th, 2021.

    Designed by: Jeff Cooper
    Range: 10 yards
    Target: Three USPSA Metric targets
    Start Position: Facing uprange, wrists above shoulders
    Rounds Fired: 12 (We are doing six reps and will fire 72 total rounds in this DotW)
    Procedure: Start with pistol loaded and holstered, facing uprange with wrists above shoulders. Upon start signal, turn and draw and shoot two shots to each target, reload, and shoot two shots to each target. No extra shots allowed.

    Variations:

    Concealment is optional (not required in either the Cooper or USPSA Classifier version.)

    Targets spaced three yards apart (Cooper version) or three feet apart (USPSA Classifier version.)

    Pistol loaded with exactly six rounds to start (Cooper version), or more than that (USPSA Classifier version.)

    IDPA targets are optional.

    For this drill of the week, we'll shoot this classic practical pistol drill six times and compare a few different types of scoring.

    Shoot this drill twice with pass/fail scoring. All A/-0 hits to pass. Record hits and times.

    Shoot this drill twice with time-plus scoring. Record hits and times. Your score is your raw time, plus .5 second for each B/C-zone hit, plus 1.5 seconds for each D-zone hit, and plus 2.5 seconds for each miss. No penalty for A-zone hits.

    Shoot this drill twice with comstock/hit factor scoring. Record hits and times. Add up the points. Divide your points by your time to get your hit factor. For the sake of simplicity, if you are shooting 9mm/.38 Spl, you will have Minor scoring. If you are shooting .40/.45/.357, you will have Major scoring. For Minor scoring, A = 5 points, B/C = 3 points, D = 1 point. For Major scoring, A = 5 points, B/C = 4 points, D = 2 points. If you are using IDPA targets, score the -0 zones as As, the -1 zone as Cs, and the -3 zone as Ds.

    As references, 10 seconds with all As was a benchmark in the original Cooper version. In the USPSA Classifier version (CM 99-11), the Production high hit factor (100%) is 10.261133 and the Limited high hit factor (100%) is 10.8012006.

    Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

    Equipment used: gun, holster, concealment (if any)
    Variations used: USPSA or IDPA targets, target spacing, whether you started loaded with six rounds or more than that
    Pass/fail runs: hits, time, and pass/fail for each of the two runs
    Time-plus runs: raw time, hits and penalties, and total score for each of the two runs
    Comstock/hit factor runs: hits and points, time, and final score (hit factor) for each of the two runs
    Observations: anything you noticed or thoughts you have regarding the three different scoring methods

    Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.
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    As a point of correction, in 2019 (IIRC) the standards were updated to reflect the improved achievement of competitors.

    For El Presidente, here are the new HHFs
    Limited: 12.4345
    Production: 11.6423

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    Looking at the old AZshooters data,
    A previous “M” run by old standards is currently only a high B level today.

    That's not to say ALL classifiers are that stringent. Some that haven't been shot very much still have quite relaxed achievement standards.
    And some of the performance increase could be because of better equipment and more relaxed ruleset.

    But overall achieving classifications in 2019+ is about one level up on what it was previously.

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