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Excellent news! I'm going to be the first in line for it.
Although, generally speaking, straight-up re-chamberings of 9mm guns into .380 do not fare well in the market. SIG should know it better than most after the story of P290RS 380. For a better success, this new P365 ought to be redesigned to exploit the cartridge better.
Note that Glock 42 and Glock 43 are significantly different guns, and Glock 42 is quite popular.
Now if only Glock made G42X. But oh well, I'm okay with settling for a SIG.
Originally Posted by zaitcev
Did the P290 in .380 have issues?
I am not aware of any additional issues besides being a P290RS. When I grabbed it for the first time and tried to dry-fire it, I was unable to complete the pull. It was not too hard, but wy trigger finger did not travel far enough.
Here are the popularity numbers by handguns produced (from ATF records):
Year - 9mm - 380
2019 - 57% - 15%
2018 - 54% - 20%
2017 - 48% - 23%
2016 - 48% - 24%
2015 - 43% - 23%
2014 - 35% - 24%
2013 - 38% - 19%
2012 - 35% - 17%
As you can see, .380 ACP peaked around 2016 and was in a steady decline for several years.
So, back in March, I wrote on the topic of .380 following .40 into the dustbin of history:
"What we're having currently are two trends: what he calls "the rise of The Nine" and also the buying public refusing to listen to the gun elite, and continuing to prefer the .380.
The former trend expresses itself in new and cool guns not being offered in .380, only in 9mm. SIG P365 and Glock 43X are the main examples of this. There is no Glock 42X and never will be. Probably.
The latter trend has started in 2003, when Kel-Tec introduced P-3AT and continued until the present. The industry steadily introduced new products in .380, such as Ruger LCP (2008), Glock 42 (2014), Browning 1911-380 (2015), Ruger LCP II (2016), S&W M&P Shield 380EZ (2018), and SCCY CPX-3 (2019). Even Beretta, who stopped making Model 84 relented and re-started the production!
As the two trends battle it out, the fate of .380 hangs upon an introduction of a small gun with 10 or 11 round capacity. It must be well designed and be of high quality. And it likely needs to be made by a top-tier brand, and be striker fired (until the LCP II appeared, this last point was a must, but I'm not as sure anymore). If this gun does not appear before 2023 at the latest, .380 is finished. If it does appear, it's going to let .380 catch up with the 9 yet again."
Per me, above, there's an enormous potential upside in P365 380 for the fans of the .380 ACP. But it's unclear to me what the upside for SIG is. To increase the sales of P365 by 18% is the best they can do with this move. I'm a little surprised that they bothered at all.
This gun might compete well with the S&W EZ series, particularly with recoil sensitive people who want the extra capacity more than every single feature of the EZ series.
18% more sales is hardly insignificant, particularly in light of the popularity of the 9mm.
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I'm not particularly in the market for it, but I am curious - do we know if the .380 P365 is locked breech or straight blowback?
I dunno much about .380. If they kept the same size as 9 mm p365, does that mean that .380 p365 is a 17 + 1 capacity gun?
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No. Cartridges are practically the same diameter.
Yup. One of .380's other names is 9x17mm. It has a straight wall where 9x19 has a very slight taper, so "normal" 9mm is a hair thicker at the base, but the bullets are the same diameter. I can imagine a magazine where 9mm fits X rounds with a bit of wiggle room left, but X+1 is a no-go and .380 gets X+1 in there, but X would have to be pretty darn high, or 9mm would have to be just on the edge of fitting that X+1th round.
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