Arg, sorry. I read the "without magazine" weight off glocks website.Originally Posted by HeavyDuty
But the XD-E is the same weight as a glock 17 with mag (24.8 oz). And the XD-E w/9 round mag is heavier (25.6 oz). Glocks are light!
Arg, sorry. I read the "without magazine" weight off glocks website.
But the XD-E is the same weight as a glock 17 with mag (24.8 oz). And the XD-E w/9 round mag is heavier (25.6 oz). Glocks are light!
I had and carried a PPS M2 for eight months. In fact I took my first "formal" training, a private session with Gabe in Clackamas OR in 2016 I think it was. Solid gun. 1,206 rounds, zero malfunctions. The "protrusion" out the back was a pretty cool feature.
Only had two problems with it: It was heavy for it's size, as in 6+1. I had both the 7 round and 8 round mags, and carried it behind the hip, but man, for a single stack, it was pretty heavy for the capacity.
Second issue was the non-swappable (and easy to hit) mag release. Being a lefty, I discovered, twice, that the mag release was light enough to actually engage while I was carrying. Meaning, the mag was not seated in all the way. Which would make for a very short gun fight. So that was not good.
I traded it in for the P30SK LEM, IIRC.
Yeah, I guess that's true. Still a good option if you can find one, at least IMO. Speaking of which, I really need to call Walther USA and order a couple of spare recoil springs for my full size P99, as well as some P99c magazine followers - I've cannibalized several of them to make my TF 140mm extensions for my full size P99 mags hold one extra round comfortably.
PPS M1 (paddle release) would be ambi *and* nigh impossible to accidentally hit. I get that they did the button version for the fact that it's a more popular thing/would sell better, but paddle releases have significant advantages.
How are you carrying that a few ounces matter in any way?
Maybe because I started out on "heavy" guns like the gov't 1911, I've never even considered weight as a metric yet it seems some obsess over it like road cyclists or UL backpackers. I get it for ankle carry, and I suppose pocket carry, but if you're carrying at the waist what difference does it make?
Sorta around sometimes for some of your shitty mod needs.
On that we are agreed.
If I was king, all handguns would have Paddle releases, but I also think Betamax was better than VHS.
How tall are you, BBL?
I'm right with you... I don't understand the ultra-lightweight crowd. I've seen people who will only carry an FRN scaled Spyderco because they say they can't stand a knife that weighs more than 2oz. Do these people only wear drawstring-waist silk pajamas?
How tall are you, GF?
So, who cares?
Well, there is a portion of the population that is undertall, or overweight (or both.) I'm 5'6", and at the time I was looking for a lightweight single stack, pushing well over 200#. And trying to carry IWB, behind the hip.
Which, being as how there's no natural "stiction" if you are placing a slick kydex holster between your pants and your underwear. Add a heavy leather 1/4" gun belt due to not knowing any better, and you are looking at a significant cantilever of handgun, holster and belt tugging at you all day. (I've read where some even wear suspenders, due to the weight of their gun and belt).
So, for some of us smaller than average, weight, while not the be all and end all of everything, is a factor that we have to give more...weight to when selecting a handgun
I lost a bit of middle recently, so lately I've been very successful at carrying AIWB, on a MMT belt. The belt is almost loose, and I don't have a gun tugging at my pants anymore. I'll never go back to behind the hip carry.
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