ATF Singles out 23 SB tactical Firearms Braces...

[littlejerry]

Please explain the logic of this ?

They are either legal (which they are at this time) or they are not.

You sound confident.

Is there a letter from the ATF explicitly stating that the SBA3 and other braces are legal? Right now we have a handful of early braces "approved" by the ATF, and a case where they determined the addition of a brace was illegal. Has the ATF explicitly stated that it was the type of brace, the type of firearm, or the combination of features that influenced their decision?

This whole thing seems pretty grey right now unless you have one of the early model of braces with an approval letter.

Looking at the list of approved devices, it seems like none of them have an adjustable LOP. I wonder if that's one of the sticking points.

[GJM]

AR pistols were around a long time before we had braces. For defensive purposes, I would have zero issues deploying an eight inch .300 BLK AR pistol with just the buffer tube.

[Dan_S]

I see that the the increasing hyper-politicization of the forum has infected technical discussions now...yay!


Wish I could thank @jetfire ‘s post more than once.

[HCM]

You sound confident.

Is there a letter from the ATF explicitly stating that the SBA3 and other braces are legal? Right now we have a handful of early braces "approved" by the ATF, and a case where they determined the addition of a brace was illegal. Has the ATF explicitly stated that it was the type of brace, the type of firearm, or the combination of features that influenced their decision?

This whole thing seems pretty grey right now unless you have one of the early model of braces with an approval letter.

Looking at the list of approved devices, it seems like none of them have an adjustable LOP. I wonder if that's one of the sticking points.

Going back to what I posted in response to, If you aren't confident, why would you bring a gun out to public range if you weren't confident enough to use it for home defense? It's illogical. Either you are confident, or not. If you aren't confident, don't own/use a brace pistol.

As for the letter, @jetfire said it best. It's a 2 year old letter obtained by a third party being spun by doom porn assholes to generate clicks and views. As he mentioned SB has been working with ATF on those issues for the past two years. Why do you think you can still buy an SB braced pistol at an FFL ?

There are two types of people, those who believe things are permitted unless explicitly permitted and those who believe things are forbidden unless explicitly permitted. Regardless ATF's prior actions, including their failed brace prosecution in OH and reversal on shouldering (which included defining braces as "accessories") have created precedent favoring braces.

If ATF bans braces you will know it and it won't be via a 3rd party FOIA request.

I am confident about the following re: braces

Making 4 million brace owners felons over night is a non starter. It is logistically unenforceable and 4 million is a pretty good argument for "common use" under Heller. (Speaking of Heller, under Miller brace AR's could have a better argument than 16" rifles since the U.S. military no longer issues the 1903A3 in common use at the time of Miller vs US and now primarily uses ARs with barrel lengths ranging from 10.3 to 14.5". )

If the SB braces were so problematic why weren't they served a cease and desist letter as Q was ?

Worst case based on ATFs prior finding that braces are "accessories" rather than stocks, I could see an technical argument for making brace pistols AOWs rather than SBRs. It would require an amnesty and it would be a $5 stamp vs a $200 stamp.

The new admisntration will target imported "pistols" in rifle calibers via admin authority under GCA of 1968. You can thank all the turds who made "draco" rap videos for that one. They've made the "Draco" the Saturday night special of the 2020s.

[GJM]

Isn’t the relevant letter from September 2020?

[HCM]

Isn’t the relevant letter from September 2020?

The one cited in the ammoland article was July 2018.

[Totem Polar]

AR pistols were around a long time before we had braces. For defensive purposes, I would have zero issues deploying an eight inch .300 BLK AR pistol with just the buffer tube.

This, and I’m no AR guy.

This is also inspiring me to start a thread I’ve been meaning to get after, but not in here.

[GJM]

The one cited in the ammoland article was July 2018.

I watched the video I linked earlier in this thread, and there was a letter from Sept 2020 where ATF found (cliff notes version) a short barrel shotgun with a SB brace to be a SBS, and said a long list of SB braces were not approved by ATF. That letter is worth a read, based on content and the date it was issued.

[GJM]

I watched the video I linked earlier in this thread, and there was a letter from Sept 2020 where ATF found (cliff notes version) a short barrel shotgun with a SB brace to be a SBS, and said a long list of SB braces were not approved by ATF. That letter is worth a read, based on content and the date it was issued.

Link to letter:

https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/w...0/11/58-64.pdf

[Paul Blackburn]

You will be investigated in a self defense shooting.
You aren't as likely to be investigated for going to the range.