The proposed new French carrier (2038). https://twitter.com/MarineNationale/...91342061027330
Not that I'll see it. One carrier is more a show piece than a realistic war fighter, some say.
The proposed new French carrier (2038). https://twitter.com/MarineNationale/...91342061027330
Not that I'll see it. One carrier is more a show piece than a realistic war fighter, some say.
You need three, preferably four, to have one on station. One to be deployed, one returning from deployment, one getting ready to deploy, and one in the shipyard for overhaul.Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer
If we have to march off into the next world, let us walk there on the bodies of our enemies.
I agree. Funny that so many countries go for one or two small carriers with a small number of planes. Spain, Italy, India, Japan, Korea. The UK has two big ships with very few planes and limited self-defense. It's support destroyers are also seen as limited in abiity.
It's argued that the allied countries just see them as supplementing US forces, like in the old Pacific Fleets with a main strike force of the Essex class and then supporting Jeep carriers. Hopefully, we won't ever see this tested.
It's yet to be seen if China goes for a full blue water fleet.
Warship Wednesday, May 11, 2022: The Dirty D
Nordisk Pressefoto via the M/S Museet for Søfart- Danish maritime museum. Photo: 2012:0397
Above we see a beautiful period photo of the Danish skoleskibet Danmark with a bone in her teeth, the tall ship’s canvas fully rigged and speeding her along, 18 white clouds mastering the sea. Just seven years old when she was caught up in WWII, she would find a new home and wartime use in Allied waters while the Germans occupied her country.
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Ships were wood and men were steel.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.
China isn't interested in a blue water fleet. They're more concerned with their economy and less concerned with what goes on in Pacific ocean. So far they're doing a pretty good job of becoming a world power without threatening with a military build up. Unlike Russia, who sees their future in Europe with the destruction of an entire country, they put their future in their GDP. Russia's GDP is toast.
Navies and Air forces should be for defense. Anytime you see a country building up a yuge navy, army or airforce you have to wonder exactly why. Russia comes to mind here. The last time Russia was attacked by a European country was 80 years ago. UKR doesn't have a navy and not much of an air force.
Russia's next move will be against Finland.... again. They have already said that. Nukes on the border.
Last edited by Borderland; 05-12-2022 at 08:19 PM.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.
Is this just a guess or have you done any research. They might not be full blue water yet, but they have the largest navy in the world.
https://news.usni.org/2020/09/01/pen...tary-influence
They also just mars a deal with the Solomon Islands that will allow them to build naval bases there.
https://news.usni.org/2020/09/01/pen...tary-influence
There’s plenty more info out there that disagrees completely with your take on this.
https://eurasiantimes.com/chinese-pl...n-a-limbo/?amp
The Chinese Navy aspires to be as powerful as the US Navy. It is no secret that China desires a big fleet of aircraft carriers and a blue water navy capable of swiftly sailing into the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf.
China is on track to accomplish its aircraft carrier program’s goals and benchmarks. It presently has two carriers: the Liaoning and the Shandong. A third carrier is also being built by the PLAN.
However, the Liaoning, China’s first aircraft carrier, is currently the sole Chinese aircraft carrier with initial operating capability, or the basic level of combat preparedness. It began as a half-built Soviet Kuznetsov-class heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser purchased from Ukraine in 1998 and refitted for more than eight years.
Yeah, they are clearly moving beyond a coastal force. I watched a Chinese movie where a PLAN ship led a raid on a Middle East terrorist site to rescue Chinese civilians. That's kind of out of the coastal waters. It was a pretty good military movie. The kicker at the end was when they returned to China, they chase American ships out of their waters.
Their newest carriers are not trivial ships or are the Type 55s.
This idea that the Chinese navy seems to be superior to the US Navy because it has more ships isn't plausible.
https://thediplomat.com/2021/04/yes-...u-might-think/
It's true that China has been building ships as fast as they can and want to appear to be a dominant Naval force but with a military budget roughly 1/3 of the US budget, it'll be awhile before the Chinese Navy catches up. The USN has the second largest AF in the world, second only to the USAF. US Naval aviation has been operational since WW2. The Chinese conducted their first successful carrier landing 10 years ago.
Here's a good article about China's economy. Mostly, it looks like it has stalled out.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...vertake-the-us
I think a case can be made that China wants to have a navy that will match ours. The wording in my post was not accurate as you pointed out so I'll eat that part. I still believe however, that China's intention is to have a navy that can project power in that region of the Pacific, not globally. Their economy can't support it.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.
USS South Dakota, USS Alabama, and USS North Carolina underway in the South Pacific, 25 Jan 1944; photo taken from USS Intrepid
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