Donut bullets??? WTF

[Crazy Dane]

I was digging through an ammo box that contains a lot of my ammo for hunting and I run across a small box of .38/357 that I had got from my dads house when I cleaned it out. In it was just a random assortment of different loadings. There was a dozen of these and I noticed that they felt really light. Curiosity got the best of me and I had to pull one. I was shocked to see a hole all the way through the bullet. Then it got me again when I found the plastic over wad still in the case. I cant pull the over wad with a kinetic puller and I don't want to damage it if I can help it. Dad Retired in '96 and sold/gave away any .38/357 guns he had. so the rounds have to be at least that old.

The case head stamp is PMC .38 Special +P.

Bullet weight is 65grn and appears to be all copper?

[Velo Dog]

PMC Ultramag

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[BobM]

Was that the Thunderzap? I remember the tubular round being advertised, maybe in the late 80s?

[Duelist]

I remember those being advertised as like a flying cookie cutter or something, but I can’t imagine the penetration would be worth a crap.

[CCT125US]

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International Ammunition Association
Around 1985 / 1986, PMC would adapt a design by Abe Flatau (designer of the ring-airfoil and steel nose Guilford HP pistol bullet) in their own line of "Ultramag" cartridges in .38spl and .44spl. The first .38spl projectiles were true hollow cylindrical bullets with a tapered nose and plastic obturating base. These were made of brass (66 grains) and had decent, yet limited enhanced penetration abilities at 1,500fps. These were effective against soft body armor, but not against steel plate, or hard metals. The federal law restricting pistol-caliber AP bullets would soon follow in August, 1986, and so PMC would switch their now restricted brass bullets over to 100% copper. Using copper would more or less defeat the intended purpose of real enhanced penetration, and these copper tubular bullets would continue on as a novelty of sorts for a few years until PMC gave up on the concept altogether. The initial brass bullets were only produced for a year or so in .38spl, and are fairly rare today as collector’s items. The copper versions are much more common, and full boxes of .38spl can be found via auction websites at times for anywhere from $40 to $75, with the .44spl boxes being worth closer to $100

[Crazy Dane]

PMC Ultramag

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^^^^ Nailed it! Thank you, I couldn't find anything on google.

I may put one or two up to just have and shoot the others just to see. Unless somebody has a better idea...

[awp_101]

^^^^ Nailed it! Thank you, I couldn't find anything on google.

I may put one or two up to just have and shoot the others just to see. Unless somebody has a better idea...

Know anyone set up to do proper gel testing? That could be interesting. @5pins maybe?

[5pins]

Sell them. They are going for $10 a round here.

https://collectibleammunition.com/pr...y-pmc-38-splp/

[Doc_Glock]

Sell them. They are going for $10 a round here.

https://collectibleammunition.com/pr...y-pmc-38-splp/

Now I am sad I shot up an apparently $100 box of Nyclad recently. 😕

[Archer1440]

Sell them. They are going for $10 a round here.

https://collectibleammunition.com/pr...y-pmc-38-splp/

So, cheaper than 9MM right about now, then.



(And no, I’m not joking, as it turns out...)


https://alamoammo.com/pistol-ammo/9m...eed&source=xml