Laws Banning Militias

[LittleLebowski]

Yup, expect more of this with Biden/Harris. Anything right wing will be labeled “white supremacist”.

[Lost River]

Forget the nuts, I wonder how many are undercover FBI.

Not just FBI.

ATF, and others. I have gone to joint task force briefings and the crap that was spewed from agents from elsewhere about right wing militias, and the sort, you would think that there were armed bands of lunatics roaming every single small town in the west. It was if they were creating a problem to have a problem to combat.

In one briefing not long after 9-11, a fellow lawman and I were listening to a guy from back east talk about heavily armed extremists owning X amount of guns and X amount of ammo + food. The officer leaned over and commented something to the effect of " that sounds like most state troopers in the region".

I seriously question many things on the federal level these days. Being that we have seen federal agents use confidential informants as provocateurs to aid/guide/push people into planning “terror plots”, to get their desired results, then rush in and "save the day", foiling the plot and being the heroes, justifying bigger budgets and more intrusive methods of overwatch intelligence gathering, etc. These are all just some of the reasons I seriously question narratives I am being fed these days.



While there are many outstanding and honorable lawmen who work within those agencies, there are plenty (as we know) who will do what it takes to climb the ladder and be company men. Unfortunately that is not limited to the federal side either. It is simply human nature to some degree. I am glad to see some of my fed friends finally make it to retirement. The last few years was rough for a number of them, and listening to them discuss the changes that have taken place during the course of their careers does not bode well for the future.

[TGS]

Some interesting comments in the thread just far. I'd like to insert that 1) the laws being discussed are all state-driven, not federal, 2) the federal government is explicitly forbidden from "banning" groups of people, and 3) in another thread, the most vocal opposition to a perceived government overreach are 4 federal agents, and the only people cool with it are.....not federal agents.

Yup, expect more of this with Biden/Harris. Anything right wing will be labeled “white supremacist”.

And under the reform you're in favor of, an FBI Supervisory Special Agent who pipes up, "Hey these people aren't a threat, they're simply at opposition with the government's stance on XYZ so we're closing the investigation" could promptly be fired.

[JohnO]

October 17, 2020 joint report from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) and MilitiaWatch, states right-wing domestic extremist groups are a “serious threat to the safety and security of American voters.”

How about Left-Wing domestic extremist groups?


https://socialistra.org/
https://twitter.com/sne_sra

Also:
Redneck Revolt and John Brown Gun Club
http://rijohnbrowngun.club/
https://twitter.com/rijbgc

Indigenous Anarchist Federation
https://iaf-fai.org/2020/09/26/skill...mary-firearms/

[Hambo]

Some interesting comments in the thread just far. I'd like to insert that 1) the laws being discussed are all state-driven, not federal, 2) the federal government is explicitly forbidden from "banning" groups of people, and 3) in another thread, the most vocal opposition to a perceived government overreach are 4 federal agents, and the only people cool with it are.....not federal agents.

And under the reform you're in favor of, an FBI Supervisory Special Agent who pipes up, "Hey these people aren't a threat, they're simply at opposition with the government's stance on XYZ so we're closing the investigation" could promptly be fired.

There you go again with facts...

[Totem Polar]

Not endorsing this report, but may scratch the itch... and is open source.

October 17, 2020 joint report from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) and MilitiaWatch, states right-wing domestic extremist groups are a “serious threat to the safety and security of American voters.” It describes 2020 included protest activity (which also includes armed protests), kidnapping plots targeting elected State officials, and discussions of targeting critical infrastructure.


Attachment 62396

I see that it didn’t take long for Glover’s effort to get lumped in with the motley crowd.

Many on this very forum have observed that it wouldn’t be long before a precision rifle class or ecqc gets one the stink eye, let alone tac con or a paulepalooza type event. Were not there with classes yet, but I can smell it coming. JMO.

[HCM]

How about Left-Wing domestic extremist groups?


https://socialistra.org/
https://twitter.com/sne_sra

Also:
Redneck Revolt and John Brown Gun Club
http://rijohnbrowngun.club/
https://twitter.com/rijbgc

Indigenous Anarchist Federation
https://iaf-fai.org/2020/09/26/skill...mary-firearms/

ACLED is a left biased organization so ....

But yes, those are just a few of the leftist militia organizations. They don't call them selves "militias" though since that term has become associated with right wing groups. The term of art for leftist militias is "Community Defense" groups.

[HCM]

I see that it didn’t take long for Glover’s effort to get lumped in with the motley crowd.

Many on this very forum have observed that it wouldn’t be long before a precision rifle class or ecqc gets one the stink eye, let alone tac con or a paulepalooza type event. Were not there with classes yet, but I can smell it coming. JMO.

AS stated above ACLED is not an impartial or reliable source. Nor is the SPLC.

SPLC is not so much biased L/R as they are biased to label everyone extremists in order to help keep up the scare and drive funding. Kind of like the NRA pushing gun control doom porn to keep donor dollars flowing.

[Totem Polar]

AS stated above ACLED is not an impartial or reliable source. Nor is the SPLC.

SPLC is not so much biased L/R as they are biased to label everyone extremists in order to help keep up the scare and drive funding. Kind of like the NRA pushing gun control doom porn to keep donor dollars flowing.

Oh, absofuckinglutely. I get the drive behind the labeling, and couldn't agree more. Still, it didn't take long. We were just hearing about Glover's effort here, on P-F, mid-summer.

[LittleLebowski]

Some interesting comments in the thread just far. I'd like to insert that 1) the laws being discussed are all state-driven, not federal, 2) the federal government is explicitly forbidden from "banning" groups of people, and 3) in another thread, the most vocal opposition to a perceived government overreach are 4 federal agents, and the only people cool with it are.....not federal agents.



And under the reform you're in favor of, an FBI Supervisory Special Agent who pipes up, "Hey these people aren't a threat, they're simply at opposition with the government's stance on XYZ so we're closing the investigation" could promptly be fired.

Oh christ, take it easy on your crusade. I got corrected by @HCM on my understanding, I’ve been meaning to find that thread and be an honest person and admit my mistake; I’ve been limited by my work network and some PF server issues.