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Thread: Shotguns I saw this week (I promise I wont do carbines)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCinVA View Post
    Mossberg 930:

    - Shells stuck in the chamber (often so stuck that I can't mortar them out, deadlining the gun)
    - Shells jumping the shell stops and locking up the action
    - To this point I've encountered three 930's that worked. I've seen a lot more than 3 in class, but I've counted three of them that didn't have multiple stoppages in class. Often the stoppages happen, I fix them, and then it locks up so bad that I can't get it running again and have to give them a loaner so I don't soak up too much class time trying to fix their busted gun.
    That's 2 more than I've seen, but I'll wager you've seen a larger sample in your classes than I have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LHS View Post
    That's 2 more than I've seen, but I'll wager you've seen a larger sample in your classes than I have.
    Most have had one show up. A couple of times new in the box. One unfortunate fellow had a brand new 930 and 590 still in the cardboard. When the 930 shat the bed he switched to the 590...which locked up tighter than Hunter Biden holding a crack pipe. The 930 went back in with a shell stuck in the chamber I'd ripped the rim off of, and the 590 went back in with the gun empty but the action seized up.

    He bought a Beretta after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TCinVA View Post
    Most have had one show up. A couple of times new in the box. One unfortunate fellow had a brand new 930 and 590 still in the cardboard. When the 930 shat the bed he switched to the 590...which locked up tighter than Hunter Biden holding a crack pipe. The 930 went back in with a shell stuck in the chamber I'd ripped the rim off of, and the 590 went back in with the gun empty but the action seized up.

    He bought a Beretta after that.
    I should go buy a lottery ticket. Ive got one that runs great with higher velocity birdshot and all slugs and buck Ive shot through it. Its been through at least one Givens shotgun class.

    That said with the 930s rep a 1301 is next on my to buy list.

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    Forgive me if I have missed it, but I have not seen much talk about the Winchester 1200/1300 shotguns. I know they are not nearly as popular in LE circles as the 870's were, but I've owned two ( a bird gun, and a Defender) most of my life, and other than a crappy weld on the action bar on the bird gun letting go after a lot of magnum waterfowl loads (factory sent out a replacement quickly) I've never seen much reason to replace them or trade them for something new.

    I'm curious if anyone has seen any particular issues crop up with the Winchester guns, and how they fared compared to the 870/590's etc... I know the newest FN/Winchester guns are hit and miss quality wise. I think someone said they were now being made in Turkey?

    I'd love to get a 1301 and trick it out with a short LOP stock ala Magpul/Aridus, but for my uses, the pump seems sufficient, as I've never had much trouble with short stroking the 1200/1300 "speedpump" action. That might have something to do with growing up hunting with the guns, and having put a lot of rounds through them over the years. I freely admit I don't grab a shotgun as my primary defense tool, but I do keep one handy.

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    Regarding Post 34

    I've no experience (never even touched one) with the Winchester shotguns. My main experiences have been with the Mossberg 590A1 (issued shotgun from where I retired and personally-own a 590A1); secondarily the Remington 870 (used in the police academy and own two).

    Both have been reliable for a few thousand rounds through each make & model. I did have the Mossberg get locked up with a small piece of gravel (unknown where it was in the action, but came out during a detail strip once home).

    I've had two problems with my semi-auto Remington 11-87P: a broken shell latch; and something worn in the trigger group making it necessary to depress the carrier-release after cycling the bolt to chamber the first round. Otherwise, it cycles fine after this first round is chambered in this 2-step fashion. When it was new, I only had to cycle the bolt without using the carrier-release to load the first round. I substituted in a friend's trigger group to narrow the problem to the trigger group, but didn't want to order a new trigger group assembly as it was going to cost ~$150, delivered.

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    So it sounds like you all are say the LTT 1301 is the best bargain out there right now. Thats what I heard anyway.
    If you know the way broadly you will see it in everything." - Miyamoto Musashi

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    When I buy a new shotgun, polishing the chamber with 0000 steel wool is my first step. The observations about cheap ammo being reliable are correct. When I went to work for the Texas prison system in 1981, there were two ranges that conducted 100% of training for the entire system. The 870 was the shotgun. A typical life span was 100,000 rds. Factory trained armorers maintained them.

    Dan Lehr can comment on 870 and Mossberg maintenance and longevity.

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    Thanks for the informative posts and please do carbines also.

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    I've had a 1300 Defender not go belly up in two shotgun classes (Moses and Givens) and in matches. It seems worth the $239 I paid for it many years ago. It sits in the rack with the other long arms waiting for crazed bears, insurrections, aliens, home invaders and Cthulhu. Seriously, I like the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer View Post
    I've had a 1300 Defender not go belly up in two shotgun classes (Moses and Givens) and in matches. It seems worth the $239 I paid for it many years ago. It sits in the rack with the other long arms waiting for crazed bears, insurrections, aliens, home invaders and Cthulhu. Seriously, I like the gun.
    Nothing wrong with a Win 1300. I have owned a couple and still wish I had both.

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