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Thread: 40mm Launchers for Patrol

  1. #11
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    My former agency had a Federal Labs L-6 launcher back in the day. In those days, only sergeants and OIC's were smart enough or trustworthy enough to be allowed such sexy tools as the launcher or the 9mm carbine. I'm not sure what we would have done if the sergeant or OIC were on leave or on another call and both weapons were needed. I'm glad we got past those days in the nineties.

    I suspect I'm the only sergeant who threw the L-6 in the trunk or actually had it deployed on a call. Accuracy became an issue that ended the program though that likely was because of poor maintenance of the weapon.

    Unfortunately, I don't have much at all to contribute on current technology, but I'd avoid the supervisor only philosophy on assigning the weapon. While issuing gear to a supervisor with the intention it will be handed off on scene does make theoretical sense, you're going to have to reinforce it through doctrine and/or training. Giving the cool guy gear to the guy who wants to be cool (and is willing to go to training) will probably get the gear on scene sooner and with a motivated operator than giving it to the sergeant. Unless, of course, the sergeant is like me back when I was relevant and had some purpose.

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    Back in the day I was a Sage instructor with the 37mms and we used KO1s with the hard not soft tip. I hit one suspect with one in the upper thigh. 10-15 minutes later he had a 37mm sized white circle on his leg surrounded by bruising. He was probably a .30-40 BAC and he said it “stung”. SWAT had Sages and then started going with the 40s.

    We have a patrol program starting with the 40s. When it started Admin wanted the lower velocity soft tipped rounds. After testing on the street with failures I believe they been replaced with the harder rubber rounds.

    My strong suggestion is to go with the hard not foam rounds.
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  3. #13
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    I'm seeing this trend all over the place. I "know a guy" that can help with the red dots that really make these come on in actual field use.
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  4. #14
    Currently all Supervisor squads carry LL 12ga in them. Anyone else trained/qual'd on the LL 12ga can get one assigned to them at shift but then you have to get either a firearms cadre or Sgt to let you into the armory at the start and end of every shift to get them. In other words the only ones were rolling with are in the Sgt. squads.
    SWAT has a couple 40s and we would eventually like to get it pushed out to patrol in at least the same way as the 12ga is as a replacement for those. With our budget crunch and the city wanting to cut 15% of our budget I don't see it happening anytime in the near future.
    We do have one SWAT SUV that is on the street for at least 2 shifts a day usually that is our equipment car (Ram/Tool/two Shields/pepperball/40mm/LL 12ga/etc) that does provide us with that option at least if needed.

    We are using the eXact Impact foam rounds for our impact rounds and drag stabilized bean bags in the 12ga. Funny enough I just got qual'd on everything this week. It was a fun couple days. The CS exposure not so fun.

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    Our department fields orange stocked 870's loaded with CTS 2581 Supersock beanbag rounds. They are carried in every patrol car....its mandatory under our policy. Since we do not, and likely never will, have tasers, impact munitions represent our only standoff less lethal capability. SWAT and our Specialist Team (counter sniper/perimeter containment) have 40mm launchers (and the Specs are patrol officers with additional tools and training). I'd love to go 40mm for everybody, but for a department our size (2100 sworn), its just not financially doable. Even the damn Supersock rounds cost $5 a pop.....qualifying all those cops every year, even with just 5 rounds, gets very expensive.

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    I took my initial 40mm training a year ago. It is time for refresher training. Due to various pissing contests (and not a little liability concerns) we have yet to see one deployed on the street.

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  7. #17
    we run them in every sector car, all officers trained and qualified to use them. Supervisors are discouraged from being the officer firing the weapon. The supervisor should be supervising the scene, making sure the launcher use is appropriate etc.

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