That's not how it works around here. On-air talent usually has some input in to who works for them and they are all retired cops with decades of service.Originally Posted by TGS
That's not how it works around here. On-air talent usually has some input in to who works for them and they are all retired cops with decades of service.
Aren't there pics of the shooter having a beer with 9 News anchor Kyle Clark prior to this incident? Based on his social media activity it sure appears Kyle Clark is an ANTIFA fanboi.
That's how it works everywhere, actually. I'm not sure what isn't clear about what I'm writing. Contract security will always be at the whims of the client and whether they want a specific person working for them, as the contractor obviously wouldn't want to jeopardize the contract....that much is obvious. Like I wrote, in case it wasn't clear enough, closer, more sensitive and/or longer term arrangements will usually be accompanied by the client having more input in the hiring, but....
...that doesn't mean it's incumbent upon a news agency to conduct their own interviews and vetting process of contract security personnel, especially during times of civil disorder with demand outstripping supply when they're probably just happy to have a company respond back, "yes, we can service this request". The news agency did their reasonable due diligence by going through what is supposed to be a long-standing, reputable business instead of hiring Bob's Fly-By-Night Discount Security. It's incumbent upon the contractor to ensure the people they're putting on the clock meet not just the contracted standards, but especially so the legal standard. This is so especially egregious that I'd be surprised if the majority of Pinkerton's clients in that area aren't leaving voicemails exclaiming, "what the fuck, chump, you fleecing me too!?" if not just outright dropping them without giving them the benefit of the doubt, and I imagine several heads within Pinkerton have already rolled with most of the sub-contractor's jobs disappearing overnight.
Last edited by TGS; 10-16-2020 at 05:45 PM.
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it looks like the Denver post has posted the full photo sequence here. You don't have any pics between "acquiring grip on gun" and "bear spray + shot" so it's hard to see which occurred first, but given the sequential nature of the pictures it sure seems like the shooter at minimum already drew and acquired a target. Whether he shot first or shot in response to the bear spray, whether deliberately or as a startle response, is unclear based on the pictures only.
That’s true, but the audio portion of the video that captures “bear-spray-guy” falling into frame after being shot have a clear “ssshhh bang” sound. I’m pretty comfortable that the spray preceded the shot, if only by a quarter second or so.
Bail reduction denied.
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/2...d-lee-keltner/
Those moment-by-moment photographs greatly increase the likelihood that the security guard, Matthew Dolloff, will be convicted, and so increase the risk that Dolloff will refuse to appear in court if released on bail, District Court Judge John Madden IV wrote in a six-page order.
“The precision with which the moment of the charged homicide is captured is unprecedented in the Court’s experience,” Madden wrote.
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“The evidence of which the Court is presently aware appears to show that, at the time of the shooting, there was no danger from the victim that placed the Defendant or anyone else in imminent risk of death or great bodily injury, and that the victim was backing away from the Defendant holding a can of mace,” Madden wrote, although he emphasized that there will be significantly more evidence considered as the case goes forward, and said that additional evidence could prompt him to reconsider reducing bail.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/02/...mGO3gUiHEqywoc
Denver Could Suspend Pinkerton’s License For Shooting Involving Unlicensed Security Guard Matthew Dolloff
After reviewing details of the case, a hearing officer with the Denver Department of Excise and Licenses recommended a six month suspension of Pinkerton’s license. According to the recommendation, the city would renew Pinkerton’s Private Security Services license once the company complies with city procedures to ensure its security guards are licensed.
The recommended decision, evidence and testimony will be reviewed by Excise and Licenses Executive Director Ashley Kilroy, who will issue a final decision on the license for Pinkerton. That decision is expected in the next couple of weeks.
Pinkerton and Isborn Security had arranged for Dolloff to provide security for a 9News crew. The Denver Department of Excise and Licenses cited both companies with a municipal code violation because Dolloff did not have the license required to work as a security guard in the city.
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Denver reached a settlement agreement with Isborn security on Dec. 3. The company agreed to surrender their license and cannot reapply for a new license for five years. Denver Excise and Licenses Executive Director Ashley Kilroy filed an order rejecting the settlement with Pinkerton on Dec. 13.
Looks like the leftist security guard is trying to use the “Woke Defense”
Apparently the defense decided "Dolloff assaulted a guy, then shot him after he slapped Dolloff to break contact" wasn't a winning strategy. So now they're going with the "it's not murder because the victim was a fascist" strategy instead.
Attorneys in Denver protest shooting debate relevance of victim’s right-wing affiliations
In role reversal, prosecutors seek to limit information presented to jury, argue Lee Keltner “is not the person on trial”
On the day Lee Keltner died, he attended a right-wing rally in downtown Denver with a man who bore a tattoo associated with a far-right group and another who wore the patch of an outlaw motorcycle gang.
During the rally, Keltner’s son referred to a Black man with a racial slur and threatened to “cut (him) up,” according to court filings. He was carrying several knives. And Keltner, 49, was carrying a concealed gun.
But whether a jury should hear that information — and other details about the day — is a nuanced legal question that’s now being debated in the high-profile murder case.
The Denver District Attorney’s Office argued in court filings that some information about Keltner’s political views, and about the character of the people he attended the rally with, should not be allowed as evidence in the case because it is not relevant and is likely to improperly sway jurors.
Dolloff’s attorneys took the opposite stance, arguing that Keltner’s affiliations, the broader context of the rally and attendees’ actions that day are relevant because they impacted Dolloff’s state of mind as he fired the fatal shot.
Debates about what evidence can be presented to juries happen in most murder trials, with judges making decisions to limit or allow evidence that are aimed at eliminating extraneous or highly inflammatory information so jurors can focus on the core of the case, legal experts said.
“The idea is that when you manage the information that comes to the jury, you are putting them in a better position to come to the truth than if it were just a free-for-all,” said Aya Gruber, a law professor at the University of Colorado Boulder.
Still, Dolloff’s case stands out both because of the ingrained political issues and because he is claiming self-defense — a move that in many ways flips the script of a normal case, the experts said.
In the end, this is about a man being shot to death and whether legally — not politically — it was justifiable self-defense,” said Doug Cohen, an attorney and former prosecutor who is not involved in the case. “But jurors bring their political beliefs into the jury room, and both sides seem to be well aware of that.”
Political leanings
Prosecutors have asked District Court Judge Brian Whitney to exclude details about Keltner’s political views and the character of those he attended the rally with, in part because they don’t believe Dolloff knew much of that information when he pulled the trigger.
In court filings, Dolloff’s defense attorneys have alleged Keltner was a regular in “right-wing extremist circles,” using the code name “Twisted” and posting online under the username “Twist Ted” about wanting to “put the boots to some antifa scum.” The defense also alleges Keltner was aggressive at previous rallies and that he attended the event in Denver intending to “start trouble.”
At the rally with Keltner that day was a man wearing a “Sons of Silence” motorcycle gang patch, the defense says, as well as a man with a tattoo on the back of his head of the year 1776 encircled by stars, which the defense says is associated with the Three Percenters, an anti-government militia group.
Prosecutors said Dolloff did not know that information when he pulled the trigger, and that allowing that information to go before a jury would be unfair.
“While the inquiry of whether Mr. Keltner has a reputation for violence may be relevant, its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger that it would confuse the issues and mislead the jury to consider Mr. Keltner’s character when he is not the person on trial,” Assistant District Attorney Zach McCabe wrote in a July 2 motion. ”…This trial is not about whether Mr. Keltner was the initial aggressor or whether he has a reputation for violence.”
Additionally, there’s no evidence, McCabe wrote, that Dolloff overheard Keltner’s son use the racial slur and make the threat, although Dolloff was standing nearby. And it’s not clear that Dolloff was aware of Keltner’s concealed firearm, McCabe said.
A spokeswoman for the DA’s office declined to comment while the case is pending.
The prosecutor’s motion to exclude the evidence also raises the question of Dolloff’s political beliefs, saying that if such details about Keltner are allowed into evidence, it opens the door to explore Dolloff’s leanings, which they say are liberal.
“A simple Google search for Mr. Dolloff yields results reporting participation in protests that can be construed as contrary to Mr. Keltner’s affiliations,” a footnote in the motion reads, linking to media coverage of the case.
The "I shot him because reasons" defense.
Sounds legit.
There's nothing civil about this war.
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