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Thread: ATF issues cease and desist on Q LLC Honey Badger Pistol

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    Though as someone with Tinnitus, I think my doctor should be able to RX me suppressors.
    And require insurance companies to pay for the cans. That'll get ACA repealed in a hurry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlongJohnson View Post
    And require insurance companies to pay for the cans. That'll get ACA repealed in a hurry.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pistol

    They tried something similar with the Palm Pistol - a single shot designed for seniors and the disabled. It apparently didn't pan out.

    https://nypost.com/2008/12/09/arthri...ires-with-fda/

    The agency ruled yesterday that the 9mm weapon, called a Palm Pistol, is not a medical device under the federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act and thus it is removing it from its electronic database.

    The agency said it was returning the $1,800 registration fee to the company, Constitution Arms of Maplewood, NJ.

    If the FDA had listed the $300 weapon – still in the design stages – as a medical device, buyers might have been able to get reimbursement from Medicare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven_Sicks_Two View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pistol

    They tried something similar with the Palm Pistol - a single shot designed for seniors and the disabled. It apparently didn't pan out.

    https://nypost.com/2008/12/09/arthri...ires-with-fda/
    So they will pay for hearing aids after I lose my hearing but they won’t pay for something that will prevent me from losing my hearing in the first place. Sounds like every other aspect of our medical system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven_Sicks_Two View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pistol

    They tried something similar with the Palm Pistol - a single shot designed for seniors and the disabled. It apparently didn't pan out.

    https://nypost.com/2008/12/09/arthri...ires-with-fda/
    Interesting.

    I'll file this away to look into more later. I wish the article explained why it was rejected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    Interesting.

    I'll file this away to look into more later. I wish the article explained why it was rejected.
    I found this elsewhere:

    https://gizmodo.com/party-pooping-fd...-a-med-5105177

    "Medicare will not cover it because there is no approved category for weapons, so it would not be viewed as reasonable and necessary."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven_Sicks_Two View Post
    Well, good thing a silencer or arm brace isn't a weapon...

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    ATF has temporarily suspended the cease and desist letter for the DOJ to review. I'd like to think this is good news, but who knows. Copy of Q's email is below. I like them calling out the DEEP STATE.

    Dear Customer:

    Last Friday, October 9, 2020, our attorneys received a letter from ATF Chief Counsel Joel Roessner “temporarily suspending the Cease and Desist letter” associated with the Honey Badger Pistol by Q®. The letter states that the suspension, “will remain in effect for a period of sixty (60) days . . . unless withdrawn or extended by ATF.” The stated purpose of the suspension is to allow the Department of Justice (“DOJ”) an opportunity, “to further review the applicability of the National Firearms Act to the manufacture and transfer of the model ‘Honey Badger Pistol’ firearm.”

    Our attorneys quickly followed up to inquire if the underlying Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division evaluation was also suspended but have not received a response. Regardless, until we are told otherwise by the U.S. government of a permanent decision, we must assume that the suspension of the Cease and Desist letter does not impact the ATF’s position that the Honey Badger Pistol is a National Firearms Act (“NFA”) weapon, as the ATF could arbitrarily withdraw the suspension at any time.

    We believe this 60-day suspension is an effort to put manufacturers, distributors, and consumers at ease, and to postpone the issue past the presidential election in hopes that a new administration will take a different view. Using licensees as political pawns is unbecoming of a regulatory agency and ignoring the underlying evaluation in this letter is simply irresponsible. Q will not succumb to this level or irresponsibility. Therefore, without further clarification from ATF on their evaluation, we will not continue manufacturing the Honey Badger Pistol.[1]

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    Quote Originally Posted by RancidSumo View Post
    ATF has temporarily suspended the cease and desist letter for the DOJ to review. I'd like to think this is good news, but who knows. Copy of Q's email is below. I like them calling out the DEEP STATE.
    Some more info here

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/a...era-ar-15-ban/

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    So they will pay for hearing aids after I lose my hearing but they won’t pay for something that will prevent me from losing my hearing in the first place. Sounds like every other aspect of our medical system.
    In my experience insurance will try to get out of paying for both to the greatest extent possible. The hospital will also 'accidentally' double bill you, too.

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    I'm surprised by the latest response from Q. ATF suspends the cease & desist letter for 60 days and Q decides to take their ball and go home by stating they will no longer manufacture HB pistols?

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