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    THE THIRST MUTILATOR Nephrology's Avatar
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    There is a very large protest (anticipated 2500) that will be taking place about a mile from my place. I am planning on not doing any traveling at all that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambo View Post
    Probably not far enough, not fast enough, and handling goes to shit. The methods they use will depressurize your tires immediately, not slowly.
    It's entirely possible to make it a few miles on rims, as long as you are willing to replace them afterwards.

    Hell of a bumpy ride tho. And good luck on reaching 10mph.

    And that's all I'm saying. 🙂
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    Quote Originally Posted by farscott View Post
    I agree with the "avoid the situation". While easier said than done, use tools like Waze to scout out your routes. They are not perfect and if your timing is bad, you could be the first Waze user reporting the issue. Nothing is 100%, but knowledge in this case is power.
    Have a friend who is from the army aviation side of things. More technically oriented, competent than me. He's not from my locale but visits fairly regularly because of his better half's family. In the aftermath of the post-Floyd riots, locally, he'd asked about better routes from the airport he was flying into to where his better half would be. We discussed the various options and confirmed the route - one he was already familiar with. He flies in, lands, gets his rental car. All the while punching in the address he was going to via the various mapping, direction giving programs. ALL were telling him to take a very different route involving surface streets, a bridge, and into a city with protests/riots that evening because of "heavy traffic, delays" on the planned route. With the knowledge of how these programs are spoofed and the protests that night, he stuck with the planned route. Zero issues with his travel. No interruptions, no delays.

    Apparently, with only a handful of motorists, all logged into the same program(s), driving really slow together, and potentially reporting delays, accidents, whatever all together, these programs can be made to believe there are problems and they'll re-route drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erick Gelhaus View Post
    Have a friend who is from the army aviation side of things. More technically oriented, competent than me. He's not from my locale but visits fairly regularly because of his better half's family. In the aftermath of the post-Floyd riots, locally, he'd asked about better routes from the airport he was flying into to where his better half would be. We discussed the various options and confirmed the route - one he was already familiar with. He flies in, lands, gets his rental car. All the while punching in the address he was going to via the various mapping, direction giving programs. ALL were telling him to take a very different route involving surface streets, a bridge, and into a city with protests/riots that evening because of "heavy traffic, delays" on the planned route. With the knowledge of how these programs are spoofed and the protests that night, he stuck with the planned route. Zero issues with his travel. No interruptions, no delays.

    Apparently, with only a handful of motorists, all logged into the same program(s), driving really slow together, and potentially reporting delays, accidents, whatever all together, these programs can be made to believe there are problems and they'll re-route drivers.
    Thanks for sharing... that's really troubling (and worth being aware of).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erick Gelhaus View Post
    Apparently, with only a handful of motorists, all logged into the same program(s), driving really slow together, and potentially reporting delays, accidents, whatever all together, these programs can be made to believe there are problems and they'll re-route drivers.
    I read a story of a guy who basically did this with 100 phones and pulling them all in a cart on foot or bike or something like that. Tricked Google maps into thinking there was a traffic jam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephrology View Post
    There is a very large protest (anticipated 2500) that will be taking place about a mile from my place. I am planning on not doing any traveling at all that day.
    How did you find out about this protest?

    Outside of a few forums I've dropped all social media, cut the cord on TV, and only pick up mail once every month or two. If you wait long enough the postal workers pull out all the junk mail so you don't have to sort it. Sheriff would have to drop by and knock on the door to warn me about any planned happenings. I don't envision any protestors coming out here to play in pastures or crop fields.

    Quote Originally Posted by farscott View Post
    I agree with the "avoid the situation". While easier said than done, use tools like Waze to scout out your routes. They are not perfect and if your timing is bad, you could be the first Waze user reporting the issue. Nothing is 100%, but knowledge in this case is power.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erick Gelhaus View Post
    Apparently, with only a handful of motorists, all logged into the same program(s), driving really slow together, and potentially reporting delays, accidents, whatever all together, these programs can be made to believe there are problems and they'll re-route drivers.
    I've never used the GPS in any of our vehicles and rarely use the maps app on my phone. I typically go places I've been to repeatedly and look up the unknowns on my laptop before leaving home. I understand many of these mobile apps have the ability to warn you about delays and re-route accordingly but I've never used them. I'm getting to the point where my mobile phone is off most of the time. I'd rather go back to the days of home phones with no voicemail. You call and I'll answer if I'm around. If it's important, keep trying or send me an email.

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    I hesitate to offer anything that sounds like a strategy for either described scenario but they both sound like compact long gun situations to me.

    Maybe I underestimate the determination of the crowds but personally I suspect that if they get next to you and are smashing their way in towards your kids and a few heads vaporize right outside the car, they'll go find someone else to terrorize. I know I'm new to being a dad and all but I'd be telling my wife to shield the kid with her body, screaming at the protestors to get the fuck back, and the first person to smash a window or otherwise attempt entry would get buckshot at around face height. Anyone who continues to approach after that is an enemy combatant and whatever it takes for me to see a courtroom instead of a morgue to identify what are frankly the only bodies I really care about, that's going to fucking happen. ZFG for anyone who chooses to endanger my family, and anyone sufficiently hell bent on it to continue attacking after seeing someone get killed trying is a credible lethal threat and I'm not taking chances. They can absolutely guarantee their own survival simply by not trying to harm my family. I'm not chasing anyone down, I'm not out for trouble... I'm just not letting someone kill my wife or kid and that's all there is to it.
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    THE THIRST MUTILATOR Nephrology's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36trap View Post
    How did you find out about this protest?
    City police circulated a letter to local business owners with a specific written warning about the protest. I obtained a copy of this letter.

    I am in an urban area and the protest is focused on a specific high profile death of a citizen in custody that took place not very far from me, so it is not a distant event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36trap View Post
    How did you find out about this protest?

    Outside of a few forums I've dropped all social media, cut the cord on TV, and only pick up mail once every month or two. If you wait long enough the postal workers pull out all the junk mail so you don't have to sort it. Sheriff would have to drop by and knock on the door to warn me about any planned happenings. I don't envision any protestors coming out here to play in pastures or crop fields.
    I no longer use a personal Facebook account, only scroll Instagram a couple times a day, we just have a Roku with some streaming apps, and I only visit a couple forums, so I understand how nice it is to be less plugged in, but I think it's wise to find some way to stay up to speed with things happening in your area and surrounding areas that doesn't rely on a Sheriffs Deputy maybe but probably not knocking on your door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Friday View Post
    I no longer use a personal Facebook account, only scroll Instagram a couple times a day, we just have a Roku with some streaming apps, and I only visit a couple forums, so I understand how nice it is to be less plugged in, but I think it's wise to find some way to stay up to speed with things happening in your area and surrounding areas that doesn't rely on a Sheriffs Deputy maybe but probably not knocking on your door.
    I've wondered, lately, about the feasibility of hooking cell phones into the 911 Computer Aided Dispatch system. Even if the process wasn't automated, it would be handy to be able to push a button and be able to send a "Hey, don't go here, there's some shit". Of course, knowing how people work, a pretty good number of them would then do exactly that, but still.

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