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    Where's the dot? RJ's Avatar
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    It hadn't occurred to me that ammo shortages would affect matches...but it seems likely to be true.

    I re-start my fall matches in Tampa with a 4-stage on Friday 8/28, so it will be interesting to see. Interest is usually strong, as my local club (WAC) is one of the few options I have without driving 1 hour+, so I expect it to be full.
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  2. #22
    Still no effect in eastern NC, I've got 85 signed up for our local IDPA match tomorrow.

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    I've shifted over to single stack and been running Major simply as I can still source 45 ACP from a buddies shop, but 9 is pretty much no more, The several thou of 9 I have stored up is being held as I never got into reloading (PCS moves can make moving stuff like that a challenge....) and I'm being told by guys in the industry I trust that this shortage is gonna take a while to recover from, due to the confluence of events influencing it. I want to save the 9 for any classes that come up in the next year or so. Plus shooting single stack gives me a reason to use all those 1911's I've been stuffing in the safe recently.

    If this lasts too much longer I might just get set up with a comp rig for revolver as I've got plenty of .38 and enough wheel guns as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    I re-start my fall matches in Tampa with a 4-stage on Friday 8/28, so it will be interesting to see. Interest is usually strong, as my local club (WAC) is one of the few options I have without driving 1 hour+, so I expect it to be full.
    I forgot to check back on this thread: We had 23 shooters at our match, there were 48 slots on the roster.
    "Tho' much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now, that strength, which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are. One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find; and not to yield." --Tennyson. USPSA#92555

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    Out of the 85 pre-registered only 68 showed up for yesterday's match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcbusmc24 View Post
    I've shifted over to single stack and been running Major simply as I can still source 45 ACP from a buddies shop, but 9 is pretty much no more, The several thou of 9 I have stored up is being held as I never got into reloading (PCS moves can make moving stuff like that a challenge....) and I'm being told by guys in the industry I trust that this shortage is gonna take a while to recover from, due to the confluence of events influencing it. I want to save the 9 for any classes that come up in the next year or so. Plus shooting single stack gives me a reason to use all those 1911's I've been stuffing in the safe recently.

    If this lasts too much longer I might just get set up with a comp rig for revolver as I've got plenty of .38 and enough wheel guns as well...
    I may also shift to 45 as I have plenty of large pistol primers. Another reason to not have small pistol primer 45!

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    As one thread participant has, one can always choose the "screw you, I had the means/foresight to accumulate a sufficient stock of match ammunition" approach, but I'll suggest it's an approach that's likely to be of limited success, particularly over time/scheduled matches.

    First, because your matches will likely face a diminishing pool of participants.

    Second, because that participant pool will be of experienced shooters, and preclusive of new/newer shooters.

    Third, because some of us who are more experienced shooters have other resource comittments which direct that we have limited stocks of stored/accumulated ammunition, and may only have enough on hand for a limited amount of matches at a given time.

    Here's reality, at least in my neck of the woods (Seattle metro) at the current time (mid-September): Range/match ball amunition in virtually all of the popular calibers (i.e., .38 Special, 9mm, .40, and ,45 ACP) is severely constrained and/or totally unavailable, both at the LGS source and on-line sites. In my opinion, for sports like IDPA and ASI (and GSSF, etc.) to continue and flourish with a reasonable amount of participants, a "best practices" approach will need to be to design good challenging scenarios with lower round counts-which, by the way, is most probably more significantly relevant to the real-world siituations one is likely to encounter.

    I'm slated to be an IDPA Match Director for our October match, and I plan on likely having 6 stages with a total mimimum roundcount of 6-10 rounds per stage.

    Best, Jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInWA View Post
    As one thread participant has, one can always choose the "screw you, I had the means/foresight to accumulate a sufficient stock of match ammunition" approach, but I'll suggest it's an approach that's likely to be of limited success, particularly over time/scheduled matches.

    First, because your matches will likely face a diminishing pool of participants.

    Second, because that participant pool will be of experienced shooters, and preclusive of new/newer shooters.

    Third, because some of us who are more experienced shooters have other resource comittments which direct that we have limited stocks of stored/accumulated ammunition, and may only have enough on hand for a limited amount of matches at a given time.

    Here's reality, at least in my neck of the woods (Seattle metro) at the current time (mid-September): Range/match ball amunition in virtually all of the popular calibers (i.e., .38 Special, 9mm, .40, and ,45 ACP) is severely constrained and/or totally unavailable, both at the LGS source and on-line sites. In my opinion, for sports like IDPA and ASI (and GSSF, etc.) to continue and flourish with a reasonable amount of participants, a "best practices" approach will need to be to design good challenging scenarios with lower round counts-which, by the way, is most probably more significantly relevant to the real-world siituations one is likely to encounter.

    I'm slated to be an IDPA Match Director for our October match, and I plan on likely having 6 stages with a total mimimum roundcount of 6-10 rounds per stage.

    Best, Jon
    Our last IDPA match yesterday, still had six stages, but more movement and a bunch of targets that required 1 round per target instead of the usual two or so. We also had a lot of hard cover targets with head shots, etc. Still very interesting.

  9. #29
    I shot a match a couple of weeks ago that still had the usual 6 Unlimited stages but the required rounds to complete each stage was 10. You could only have 5rds in your gun and 5rds in your mags/speed loaders. The stages had some tighter than usual shots and it was a fun match.

    The match director said the reason they did it was because several shooters said they were having trouble sourcing ammo.

  10. #30
    I will be shooting IDPA in Rev-E because I have more LP than SP (or even SP + SR) primers, and with moon clips, I get back all my brass six at a time.

    I have been shooting USPSA in Single Stack, abandoned a batch of .45 Small in the grass a couple of weeks ago.
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