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    Curious about a couple points re Gold Dot and Ranger ammo

    Just a couple of questions for those who might know:

    1. Standard velocity 124gr 9mm Gold Dot is not on "the list." My assumption is/has been that it simply hasn't been tested due to the popularity of the +p version for agency use. Is my assumption correct or is there some other reason? (I feel like I saw something about this once, but I tried a search and failed to find the answer)

    2. I have read many times about the QC problems with Winchester handgun ammo, or at least LE ammo. Is/was that reputation deserved and have things changed recently or is it still suspect? Most of the comments I have seen about this are from a few years back and/or involved the "Z" ammo that is periodically available.

    Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jd950 View Post
    Just a couple of questions for those who might know:

    1. Standard velocity 124gr 9mm Gold Dot is not on "the list." My assumption is/has been that it simply hasn't been tested due to the popularity of the +p version for agency use. Is my assumption correct or is there some other reason? (I feel like I saw something about this once, but I tried a search and failed to find the answer)

    2. I have read many times about the QC problems with Winchester handgun ammo, or at least LE ammo. Is/was that reputation deserved and have things changed recently or is it still suspect? Most of the comments I have seen about this are from a few years back and/or involved the "Z" ammo that is periodically available.

    Just curious.
    I conferred with Doc Roberts via PM specifically about the standard pressure 124 grain Gold Dots a year or two back and he pronounced them good to go. Good enough for me.

    Re: Winchester...I do carry the Winchester Ranger RA38B in my J frame. I have not had any issues out of the case I have...and have seen none of the issues which were brought up in regard to them. I can't speak for their 9mm ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    I conferred with Doc Roberts via PM specifically about the standard pressure 124 grain Gold Dots a year or two back and he pronounced them good to go. Good enough for me.
    I have a memory of a post here by Doc, to the effect that the standard GD is good, but the +p is more gooder, hence why the +p is on the list.

    Edit - The +p is 1,220 fps and the regular is 1,150.

    https://www.speer.com/compare?pid0=1...d-dot&backUrl=
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    I have a memory of a post here by Doc, to the effect that the standard GD is good, but the +p is more gooder, hence why the +p is on the list.

    Edit - The +p is 1,220 fps and the regular is 1,150.

    https://www.speer.com/compare?pid0=1...d-dot&backUrl=
    Both the standard pressure 124 gr GD and HST work fine.
    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....086#post291086

    Prdator--much like with the 124 gr GD, both the standard pressure and +P 124 gr HST work, the +P is a just a bit better for LE duty use and neither are as good as the 147 gr HST. And before you ask, the 147 gr +P HST is not quite as ideal as the standard pressure 147 gr HST.
    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....624#post456624
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    My search skills clearly need improvement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jd950 View Post
    My search skills clearly need improvement...
    Nah. I had bookmarked Doc GKR's comments in the thread because at the time I was researching what rounds I wanted to test and carry for defensive use in my Glocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    Nah. I had bookmarked Doc GKR's comments in the thread because at the time I was researching what rounds I wanted to test and carry for defensive use in my Glocks.
    That helps, but I still should have found it.

    I remain a 147gr devotee, but like to keep informed. My son just graduated from the academy and his agency issues 124+p ranger, and we were talking ammo and that sparked my curiosity about a few things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jd950 View Post
    That helps, but I still should have found it.

    I remain a 147gr devotee, but like to keep informed. My son just graduated from the academy and his agency issues 124+p ranger, and we were talking ammo and that sparked my curiosity about a few things.
    Congratulations to both you and your son. I hope he has a great career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    Congratulations to both you and your son. I hope he has a great career.
    Thank you. I have mixed emotions, especially now. Still, I am proud and on the one hand feel he is an idiot for doing this now, and on the other hand respect his commitment.

    I was given the honor of pinning on his badge on him at the graduation. Sort of a "blue bloods" moment.

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    We have issued Ranger T and its SXT predecessor for the last thirty years pretty much constantly except for a cost cutting fling with low tech Remington Express ammo for duty use during the Great Recession.
    I am not aware of any failures to fire or defective rounds reported.
    This has been .40 since 1994. No shootings to report since our last OIS was in 1980.

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