New 2 July 2020 SIG P320 Lawsuit and P320 Concerns

[KevH]

I thought these were interesting videos by or with Bruce Gray

Reduced Chamber Support:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmrcSCQMRK4

Firing Out of Battery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuVIswzgT90

Much longer interview (relevant part starts around min 30):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98ady7f3clA

I'm really not buying the whole "gun just blew up" (see previously posted Ben Stoeger video) stuff regarding the P320.

We literally just dealt with a completely stock Glock Gen3 G19 having a bulged barrel about a month ago due to bad factory ammo (string of fire...squib load followed by normal round...blew the squib out the muzzle along with the normal round...slightly bulged barrel causing gun to malfunction...shooter only realized something was wrong because the slide was locking back on its own).

I'm sure if the gun had been a P320 there would have been more weeping and gnashing of teeth and blaming the gun. The cold hard fact is that with the ammo shortage of 2020 and subsequent increased strain on the supply system there has been a fall off in quality control.

The P320 has become an easy gun to pick-on lately thanks to the legal and media attention.

[KevH]

...and I'd like to add, I don't think anyone that knows me would have ever thought I'd be a SIG apologist.

After watching the quality dip at the end of the 2000's and early 2010's I would have said the only SIG I was interested in would be a pre-Cohen Era gun.

I still have issues with some things the company does, but I think the P320 is getting maligned more than it deserves lately.

[jlw]

A local deputy is on trial for killing a driver at the end of a pursuit. He’s claiming the 320 went off without pulling the trigger. Article doesn’t name the model of the pistol, but the 320 is their issued pistol.

I’m watching it live.

https://www.youtube.com/live/T5XcwrtfrcQ?feature=share

https://www.highlandcountypress.com/...cide#gsc.tab=0

I watched a little of it earlier. One guy testified that he had never been trained to not have his finger on the trigger. He also testified that he swapped his 320 from his right to his left hand, drew his Taser with his right, and then began trying to smash the window with his pistol.

...and we wonder how a shot got torched off.

[KevH]

I watched a little of it earlier. One guy testified that he had never been trained to not have his finger on the trigger. He also testified that he swapped his 320 from his right to his left hand, drew his Taser with his right, and then began trying to smash the window with his pistol.

...and we wonder how a shot got torched off.

For at least the next few years every moron who ND's or gets in a bad shooting with a P320 is going to blame SIG and the gun.

[Texaspoff]

This pretty much sums up what I and several other LE firearms instructors think. Sig has also lost all credibility with us due to their inability to accurately investigate this incident, but instead throw out their uninformed statement in an effort to CYA. They are essentially throwing LE customers and Safariland under the bus on this one. Not a good business move IMO.

Not me, but a well made video, and someone who took the time to evaluate the video correctly and in a forensic fashion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6GUxpzXTI





TXPO

[Lon]

Today’s trial coverage:
https://www.youtube.com/live/AUD6EJqFF_4?feature=share

[farscott]

...and I'd like to add, I don't think anyone that knows me would have ever thought I'd be a SIG apologist.

After watching the quality dip at the end of the 2000's and early 2010's I would have said the only SIG I was interested in would be a pre-Cohen Era gun.

I still have issues with some things the company does, but I think the P320 is getting maligned more than it deserves lately.

Not a P320 owner or user, and I have no dog in this fight. I do have some product liability experience, both in designing to not be liable and being deposed in liability suits. An issue that works against SIG is the knowledge that holsters allow FOD into the trigger guard and not adding the "trigger dingus" used by their competitors. The knowledge of the holster issue means FOD in the holster working the trigger is foreseeable; as such, the manufacturer per strict liability has to address it, ideally with a feature in the product OR (not preferably) in literature warning about the issue. Since competitors such as Glock and S&W have the dingus, SIG cannot argue it is an undue burden or a safety not in wide usage in the market.

[John Hearne]

Agency released a safety bulletin regarding the ND. In a nutshell, a P320 Carry with Streamlight WML in a proper model Safariland 6300 series (SLS and ALS) discharged when a dangling male fastex buckle (approx 2.5") worked its way into the holster. There is a non-shareable video which shows the trigger being released with ease once the buckle is in place.

[Lon]

Agency released a safety bulletin regarding the ND. In a nutshell, a P320 Carry with Streamlight WML in a proper model Safariland 6300 series (SLS and ALS) discharged when a dangling male fastex buckle (approx 2.5") worked its way into the holster. There is a non-shareable video which shows the trigger being released with ease once the buckle is in place.

Which agency are we talking about?

[John Hearne]

Which agency are we talking about?

National Park Service