This forum has always been realistic about firearms because it was founded by somebody who worked in the industry and the formative early members were all people who shoot.
If you spend enough time on the range, you see weird things happen. As you get more time on the gun and more experience watching others you learn how big a thing human error is. In almost every endeavor where life is on the line one of the biggest focuses of that endeavor is reduction of human error.
It just so happens that every time we handle one of these pieces of machinery, human life is on the line.
When you spend enough time with these lethal weapons you start to realize that the supposed statistically unlikely becomes almost an inevitability just due to repetitions and exposure. That has a way of sobering your outlook.
When there was a transition to Glock pistols there were legions of negligent discharges. The heavy DA trigger pull and ability to block the hammer of a revolver gave a wider margin for error resulting in handling mistakes that did not produce a gunshot as a consequence. When the Glock showed up in holsters that margin for error was narrowed to a razor's edge. Now you have a weapon that has a shorter, lighter (albeit uglier) trigger press AND you have to press the trigger to take the thing apart.
The requirement to press the trigger to disassemble a Glock is a catastrophically stupid engineering decision if you have any awareness whatsoever of how human critters interact with machinery and some modicum of concern for human life. Just a few weeks ago a friend of mine worked a call where he arrived to find that someone who had a target from his last training course with a local training company hanging in the kitchen had decided that he would disassemble his Glock by pressing the muzzle into his palm. Contact distance wound with a 9mm that somehow managed to miss all the bones and the bullet just barely managed to miss his friend after it ripped through his hand.
The truth about Glocks is that they are essentially the razor's edge in terms of living with a handgun day to day. If you do something stupid with a Glock, there's really no margin of error built into them. A mistake is highly likely to result in a loud noise and a hole in something. All the fanboy allegiance and perfection marketing bullshit never took hold here because most of us aren't fucking retarded. As a result, we could actually discuss the reality of what the Glock and Glock-like handguns are.
Even with all of that said, Glocks do not shoot themselves. They practically invite handling mistakes, but if you don't screw around with good-idea-fairy internal parts and don't press the trigger in some form or fashion, a Glock isn't going to discharge. That level of risk is one we can live with. Most of us can live with the idea that if we make a mistake there can be serious consequences.
The P320 and its variants going bang in the holster with nobody touching the gun is an entirely different level of risk.
Yet because of reasons I'm still not fully sure of, the P320 has been cut a hell of a lot of slack. When the dropsafe issues first manifested various luminaries insisted it wasn't really a problem...at least until evidence showed that a P320 inside a holster inside a bag that got dropped could discharge and cause life-altering injury. That same phenomenon has happened multiple times. Suddenly the "impossible!" statements by luminaries got awful quiet.
And here we've got yet another person who has a P320 that discharged in the holster. No drop this time. No booger hook. Just using the pistol as it is meant to be used and boom. He's saved from a racing stripe by the knife he carries in his pocket.
Give me a choice between a pistol that requires me to press the trigger to take it apart or a gun where it might just discharge itself inside the holster and that's the easiest choice I'm ever going to make. I can accept even a high level of risk if I make a mistake. I cannot stomach the idea of a pistol that can just discharge itself for reasons unknown when it's in the holster.
Fuck that.
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Originally Posted by Thy.Will.Be.Done
