New 2 July 2020 SIG P320 Lawsuit and P320 Concerns

[AMC]

How about the mim versus stamped part, and the 45/10 caliber takedown lever?

I think the MIM vs stamped or forged parts could potentially be an issue. The biggest issue to me is still that striker safety block design. Integral to the striker assembly, tiny and fragile part with a tiny and fragile spring. Ultimately, this is the part whose failure is causing the problem, if these UDs are happening. Unless that part fails, the striker won't impact the primer on a chamber case, right?

This means the fix is a standard plunger style striker block, like what is used in the 365. Probably a redesigned sear, too, while we're at it. Then a cast or forged FCU. Sure.....gun is gonna cost more. But it won't possibly try to kill you because it's possessed.

Throw in a trigger dingus, since we're going all in.

[Navin Johnson]

Who are the fellas in the video and why do they have an in at Sig with an anonymous person? Who happens to know everything about it?

If I had a lawsuit against Sig wouldn’t my lawyer be so far up that guy‘s ass and the guy at Sig that he could see light?

If it is true was this done to undercut big “G”. Even at $10 per unit on 3 million units. That’s a lot of scratch.

[Amp]

Paul Howe weighs in:

[RJ]

Paul Howe weighs in:

That’s excellent.

[Suvorov]

Paul Howe weighs in:

He already had issues with Sig not honoring their warranty on some range finders a couple years ago.

[Suvorov]

My first thought was that they got it backward - that the part was designed to be MIM but was instead stamped. Stamping tolerances can be all over the page and are in my limited experience with another industry the cheapest way to build. Does anyone have a P320 striker assembly lying around to see if the part is stamped or MIM?

I agree. Stamping is usually the cheapest way to go but will require post processing same as MIM. The big advantage of MIM is that you can make more complex parts cheaply. The P320 Striker Safety Lever is not a complex part. I took some photos of my sample of one. An August 2021 build P320 M17.



The Striker Safety definitely looks stamped to me. It's a simple flat cutout that has had its edges polished and the top curved over.

Who are the fellas in the video and why do they have an in at Sig with an anonymous person? Who happens to know everything about it?

Some of the more recent anointed technical YouTubers. I agree, I'd be fairly skeptical of their sources, especially given the MIM vs stamped stats they were referencing. A failure of the striker safety lever occurring at the same time the sear releases the firing pin is a pretty obviously what is going on, the million dollar question is how and why? Maybe it is a combination of wrong takedown lever and misshaped striker safety, maybe not.

Again, I would be very interested to know the born on dates of the pistols that have failed *IF* the above information is true and Sig is adding QC steps. In other words, have any of the guns with the extra TLC failed?

[GJM]

My wife and I were just discussing this. She wondered if there is some twisting in the holster that is contributing to the discharges, would this be less likely to happen in AXG or steel frame lowers as opposed to in a more flexible polymer lower?

[Beretta Dawg]

My wife and I were just discussing this. She wondered if there is some twisting in the holster that is contributing to the discharges, would this be less likely to happen in AXG or steel frame lowers as opposed to in a more flexible polymer lower?

I've wondered the same thing, but atbthe same time I'm wondering if it's actually related to flex in the frame and FCU or flex in the relationship between the slide and frame. There's a lot more slop when holding the frame and wiggling the slide than on other sttiker fired pistols. I would think the flex there and the relationship between the parts in the slide and the parts in the FCU could still cause issues.

[Gijoe906]

With these “tests” where people are reaching in the back and pushing down on the sears, are any of them going doing so with upward pressure on the slides simulating a loaded mag being inserted?

[1More]

With these “tests” where people are reaching in the back and pushing down on the sears, are any of them going doing so with upward pressure on the slides simulating a loaded mag being inserted?

I did not have a magazine(with or without dummy rounds) inserted when I checked my 2019 XCarry. I don't think it would make a difference. If anything, it would reduce the contact between the sear/striker foot.

In my XCarry, the sear could be depressed so that the striker would release. (edit- I found it interesting that my trigger moved very slightly when I depressed the sear- just not enough to unlock the safety lock. Considering how little trigger movement it takes to lift the safety lock, that was notable)
However, I confirmed that my safety lock was functioning properly and blocking the striker. Still will not carry the XCarry until....?