New 2 July 2020 SIG P320 Lawsuit and P320 Concerns

[TCinVA]

I think it was without a trigger press in this instance, as it was after he shot a string and reloaded the gun for the next string. Here's the video again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjo62vSYZk

Right, without a trigger press when reholstering...but I'd wager after his last shot on the prior string he had reset the trigger and probably gone to the "wall"

[Bucky]

Here is a YouTube video of someone giving their account of their 320 going off in holster at a steel challenge. He is pretty clear, concise, and detailed in how it happened and discussing his gear.


https://youtu.be/FBjo62vSYZk

He gives Sig a lot of latitude. The anything mechanical can fail, sure, but when this thing fails, it goes off by itself. Not sure what Sig replaced it with, hopefully a P226.

[EVP]

I was curious if some of these reported issues of 320s going off could “possibly” be a tolerance stack issue. It would make sense why there are only few allegedly defective pistols.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I was curious if some of these reported issues of 320s going off could “possibly” be a tolerance stack issue. It would make sense why there are only few allegedly defective pistols.

That these issues are due to tolerance stacking seems to me almost certain.

The issue there is the fact that some imperceptible difference in the dimensions of one or more tiny parts can cause the gun to go off by itself. And that there is no way to just look at the gun and know if it suffers from this stacking of tolerances.

Will some M17s experience these issues after 10 years of constant service when maintenence is neglected?

Could otherwise fine P320s experience these issues out of the blue after they have some rounds through them? If so what happens if this type of accidental discharge occurs after someone reholsters AIWB?

[zaitcev]

If there is not, then is is beyond obvious that SIG prioritized trigger feel over safety. Safety 1st - NOT!

I suspect that nobody at SIG prioritized anything over safety, and the trigger feel least of all. The reason why the striker safety is so convoluted on P320 is it being inherited from legacy designs, all the way back to P220. In fact the first P320 was hacked together by a guy from a P250 (I even used to know his name years ago).

[zaitcev]

I was curious if some of these reported issues of 320s going off could “possibly” be a tolerance stack issue.

Highly unlikely, in my view. Everything I saw points to defects. The real problem is a combination of tiny parts and significant loads for the available cross-section. Any minute imperfection becomes problematic.

[Bucky]

That these issues are due to tolerance stacking seems to me almost certain.

The issue there is the fact that some imperceptible difference in the dimensions of one or more tiny parts can cause the gun to go off by itself. And that there is no way to just look at the gun and know if it suffers from this stacking of tolerances.

Will some M17s experience these issues after 10 years of constant service when maintenence is neglected?

Could otherwise fine P320s experience these issues out of the blue after they have some rounds through them? If so what happens if this type of accidental discharge occurs after someone reholsters AIWB?

Hmm, if a gun was not within tolerances, or wore beyond tolerances, you know what would prevent it from going off? Not having the built up spring tension to fire it in the first place.

This forum really is a living advertisement for DA/SA.

[gato naranja]

Hmm, if a gun was not within tolerances, or wore beyond tolerances, you know what would prevent it from going off? Not having the built up spring tension to fire it in the first place.

This forum really is a living advertisement for DA/SA.

Various SFA mechanical maladies didn't push this house towards hammer-fired DA/SA semiautos so much as a brutally honest assessment of our own increasing physical and training limitations. Just like automobiles, some firearms get too "hairy" as we change.

But the P320 seems to have a special marinade of potential (or possibly simply perceived) issues.

[45dotACP]

Highly unlikely, in my view. Everything I saw points to defects. The real problem is a combination of tiny parts and significant loads for the available cross-section. Any minute imperfection becomes problematic.

Man, see every time I think about getting a Sig, information like this gets dropped on me.

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[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Man, see every time I think about getting a Sig, information like this gets dropped on me.

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I'm grateful for it and thankful that we haven't had a bombshell on the 365 yet because it's my only SIG currently.