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    I don’t think you absolutely have to have a paramilitary academy program. My academy could not be described, in any way, shape or form as a paramilitary style academy. No marching, no shoe shining, no formations, no yelling at us, no PT for screw ups. Our academy was basically a long, full time college course. I think I turned out ok. 🤣

    But I teach in a paramilitary style academy. I see the pros and cons. I honestly think the only benefit to all the PT they have to do for screw ups is it helps them pass the state PT test.

    We didn’t do any field trips.
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    I would not get wrapped around the axle of field trips. I work in the national capital region. I actually suggested the Holocaust museum trip for our in-service training, but that suggestion was ignored. Of course, I also suspect most of out cops already knew what the Holocaust police tour would have taught them. The very few who might have needed the training wouldn't have cared or paid attention. Command staff, who might have really benefited if they did pay attention, were, of course, somehow exempt from bothersome IST.

    I find it extrraordinary that a former MPD reserve officer considers herself knowledgeable enough to offer opinions on police training, especially given her limited tenure. MPD reserve officers are unarmed and their duties are not the same as fulltime MPD officers. I'm sure they perform valuable and sometimes dangerous duties (such as two who came under unprovoked gunfire some months ago), but what they do isn't what everyone else does.

    The remarks on the 1033 program reflect an equal lack of knowledge. The use of MRAP's in disaster relief has already been mentioned. While some tactical units may need camouflage, I suspect most agencies requesting it want free training uniforms so officers don't damage duty uniforms. (Hey, money spent on replacing uniforms could easily be rebudgeted for social justice projects!) Bayonets seemed an odd request for the 1033 program, but an officer mentioned that his department issued them to the honor guard for ceremonial use (OK, somewhat unusual), but more importantly, provided them to the search and rescue teams.

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    I read the article and I clicked onto the amazon link for her forth coming book. I read her bio on amazon. It looks like A lot of big brain; too much education, white privilege do nothing jobs. I don’t see any jobs requiring dirty hands. Her bio reminded me of the bios I read about East German generals in the Bundeswehr Museum in Dresden Germany. Those guys were going to Russia for communist education back in the 1920s and 1930s. She mentions elites and volunteer town watch/ police from before 1850 but she doesn’t mention the military from that time period. I don’t think she made the connection that the same men who volunteered for town watch were the militia ie the army of the day. How big was the standing army in 1825?
    She doesn’t know what she doesn’t know but she knows cops are wrong. I love this from her bio- She educating The next generation of police administrators
    “Meanwhile, a select group of young D.C. officers take part in the Georgetown program’s Police for Tomorrow Fellowship. Select fellows participate in intensive workshops on many of the toughest and most controversial issues in policing, including race and the legacy of racial discrimination, over-criminalization, alternatives to arrest, poverty, addiction, and homelessness. Officers visit prisons and homeless shelters and meet with local teens, and each fellow undertakes a capstone community project. In New Orleans, a similar fellowship program for young police officers, the Crescent City Corps, launched in 2019.”

    Select? Do She mean politically reliable students? How are you picking the select Commissar?

    My entire police career I thought we as a profession could do better. But politicians and the public decide what is important - translated into how do we spend the money? Much of what is called a police problem should be called society problems. Drugs, poverty, etc. Police and schools reflect their community. Our “client” often picks the style of policing or police response they get. Do they get “good morning Sir; how can I help you? Or “shut the fuck up You are under arrest”
    I would like to see this lady just once handle a domestic assault in progress in a ghetto by herself. Let’s see her drive lights and sirens at high speed for three minutes to get there, run up three floors of steps into a shitty apartment, through the already kicked in door and stop the 606 tall 300 pound drunk, drugged, Mentally ill, Sweat covered, hasn’t bathed in a week, wild eye asshole beating his baby momma with his closed fist like he is Mohamed Bruce lee Tyson in round one. What is she going to do? He won’t stop, he won’t follow verbal direction, So what’s it gonna be Rook? Go hands on? Talk to him in a soft and comforting manner? Call an ambulance? Wait for back up? I hope there is good video because I want to see this one
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    Our field trip was to go out on the street and ride with an experienced Patrol officer for two weeks. We functioned as a VERY junior partner. This occurred about mid way through the academy, and was a learning experience that gave us a little taste of how life on the streets actually was for Patrol officers. After academy graduation, I spent approximately 28 years on the street. I just don't know how Ms. Brooks would have survived some of those situations, where talk and deescalation just didn't work......

    Rosa Brooks is obviously very intelligent and highly educated. She just has a different World view than I, and likely many here have. I suspect as she was growing up, her World view was heavily influenced by her mother, who was prominent in the Democratic Socialists of America, in fact was a co-chair of the organization according to Wikipedia ....

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    She will be the chief of police somewhere within the next year. We will also soon see her on national television giving everyone her perspective on police tactics, including police UOF, based on her SME status. She can also promote her new book while she's there.

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