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    CZ Shadow 2 - here we go....

    I’ve been shooting a Gen 5 G17 in IPSC competition for just a bit over two years. In that time I have something close to 17K rounds through Gen 5’s and a Gen 2. I love my Glocks, to the point that last fall I sold every other pistol I owned and decided to commit to only Glocks.

    But a thing happened. I joined PSTG and started submitting video’s and getting some really great feedback. I have been working hard and I started really watching the top shooters in IPSC and USPSA. An old question started creeping back in my mind: would an all steel gun be better suited to my sport? I shoot Production and at matches I am surrounded by a sea of steel - I’m alone with my Glock. So I keep thinking; what do these folks know that I don’t? So I decided to settle the question. I started looking at all steel competition guns and settled on a new Shadow 2. I was really thinking of going Tanfo Stock 2, but Shadow 2’s are so common here in Canada that sourcing parts and mags will not be an issue.

    Here it is:

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    The stock trigger pull was nice at 8.75 DA and 2.75lbs SA. I dropped in a 13lb mainspring and it dropped the DA to just over 7lbs. SA remains at 2.75. Take up is very smooth and does not stack, and SA has only a bit of creep and zero over travel thanks to the set screw adjustment. It’s a very acceptable competition trigger for only a spring change. I’m not sure I like the polished smooth trigger face, but we’ll see how that goes.

    It is very heavy (46.5 OZ)! 1.3lbs heavier than my Gen 5, which to put it into perspective is like taping more than a can of beer to my Glock.

    I disliked the thin and slippery stock grips so I installed a pair of Lok palm swell Bogies. They fit my larger hands nicely and are grippy as hell. I wish they were a little taller, as there is some empty space above the grip before it meets the frame ridge where my support hand palm could use some texture.

    I have a very good baseline for core drills with my Glocks so I’ll report back here with my findings. My intention is to really give the Shadow a good test and see what I can do with it. I lubed it up with Lucas Red N’ Tacky, the 2000 round challenge starts now!
    "Next time somebody says USPSA or IPSC is all hosing, junk punch them." - Les Pepperoni
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    Great choice! Keep us posted on the transition and journey.

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    I made a similar transition about 100,000 rounds ago and have never looked back. I still like shooting polymer guns, but prefer the Shadow2 to anything else I've tried. The ergonomics and recoil dynamics are vastly superior to Glocks or Sigs for me.

    You can use an 11.5# mainspring and have no issues firing any type of primer. However, an extended firing pin is required for this to work.

    Rami FP Spring (get a few extra ones)
    https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fi...in-spring.html

    Extended Firing Pin
    https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fi...iring-pin.html

    Get some slide stops while you are shopping for parts. These need to be replaced every 15k or so.

    Floating Trigger Pin (absolutely a must-have for changing the TRS)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/tr...g-trigger-pin/

    Reduced power trigger spring (get a few extra ones, even though these are very durable 100k+ cycles)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/rp...return-spring/

    Punch to remove OEM trigger pin (be CAREFUL! Go super slow so you don’t bugger your frame.)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/sp...starter-punch/

    DS Perman extra power thumb safety spring so your safety doesn't come on accidentally.
    http://dsperman.com/products/CZSpring/CZSpring.html

    Jayson at Lok can make you a full-height, full-texture Bogie grip for your left side panel. I like a thicker left panel and thin right panel.
    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....l=1#post789041

    Here's a link for disassembly instructions:
    http://www.olegnikitin.com/news/comp...5-sp-01-shadow

    Also, get extra R & L safety detent parts because those little fuckers can get lost.
    Last edited by Clusterfrack; 06-30-2020 at 11:22 AM.
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    Fellow PSTG member hear. Switched G34 to Stock II last August. Interested to hear your thoughts as time goes on in your switch.

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    CZs are great guns, you made a good choice. I've owned a couple and to be honest I try to avoid them. The last thing I need is one more system to tempt me.
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    CZCustom has a Trigger Return Spring that I prefer.
    It is a little heavier than the Cajun piece, but supposed to be super reliable and trigger feels better to me.
    Just another data point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    I made a similar transition about 100,000 rounds ago and have never looked back. I still like shooting polymer guns, but prefer the Shadow2 to anything else I've tried. The ergonomics and recoil dynamics are vastly superior to Glocks or Sigs for me.

    You can use an 11.5# mainspring and have no issues firing any type of primer. However, an extended firing pin is required for this to work.

    Rami FP Spring (get a few extra ones)
    https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fi...in-spring.html

    Extended Firing Pin
    https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fi...iring-pin.html

    Get some slide stops while you are shopping for parts. These need to be replaced every 15k or so.

    Floating Trigger Pin (absolutely a must-have for changing the TRS)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/tr...g-trigger-pin/

    Reduced power trigger spring (get a few extra ones, even though these are very durable 100k+ cycles)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/rp...return-spring/

    Punch to remove OEM trigger pin (be CAREFUL! Go super slow so you don’t bugger your frame.)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/sp...starter-punch/

    DS Perman extra power thumb safety spring so your safety doesn't come on accidentally.
    http://dsperman.com/products/CZSpring/CZSpring.html

    Jayson at Lok can make you a full-height, full-texture Bogie grip for your left side panel. I like a thicker left panel and thin right panel.
    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....l=1#post789041

    Here's a link for disassembly instructions:
    http://www.olegnikitin.com/news/comp...5-sp-01-shadow

    Also, get extra R & L safety detent parts because those little fuckers can get lost.
    Last edited by rca90gsx; 06-30-2020 at 12:32 PM. Reason: Spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    I made a similar transition about 100,000 rounds ago and have never looked back. I still like shooting polymer guns, but prefer the Shadow2 to anything else I've tried. The ergonomics and recoil dynamics are vastly superior to Glocks or Sigs for me.

    You can use an 11.5# mainspring and have no issues firing any type of primer. However, an extended firing pin is required for this to work.

    Rami FP Spring (get a few extra ones)
    https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fi...in-spring.html

    Extended Firing Pin
    https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fi...iring-pin.html

    Get some slide stops while you are shopping for parts. These need to be replaced every 15k or so.

    Floating Trigger Pin (absolutely a must-have for changing the TRS)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/tr...g-trigger-pin/

    Reduced power trigger spring (get a few extra ones, even though these are very durable 100k+ cycles)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/rp...return-spring/

    Punch to remove OEM trigger pin (be CAREFUL! Go super slow so you don’t bugger your frame.)
    https://cajungunworks.com/product/sp...starter-punch/

    DS Perman extra power thumb safety spring so your safety doesn't come on accidentally.
    http://dsperman.com/products/CZSpring/CZSpring.html

    Jayson at Lok can make you a full-height, full-texture Bogie grip for your left side panel. I like a thicker left panel and thin right panel.
    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....l=1#post789041

    Here's a link for disassembly instructions:
    http://www.olegnikitin.com/news/comp...5-sp-01-shadow

    Also, get extra R & L safety detent parts because those little fuckers can get lost.
    Wow, thanks for this! I’ll check them all out. I have to be careful which parts I use as only OEM manufactured parts are supposed to be used in IPSC. Aftermarket springs are okay though. I did order an extra OEM trigger return springs as I heard that the new “red” ones are good to go, and I have a spare slide stop.
    "Next time somebody says USPSA or IPSC is all hosing, junk punch them." - Les Pepperoni
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clobbersaurus View Post
    Wow, thanks for this! I’ll check them all out. I have to be careful which parts I use as only OEM manufactured parts are supposed to be used in IPSC. Aftermarket springs are okay though. I did order an extra OEM trigger return springs as I heard that the new “red” ones are good to go, and I have a spare slide stop.
    Not any longer rule changed where after market trigger parts are legal, just the weight limit now.

    DISCLAIMER I work closely with Cajun and CZUSA

    I like the factory Red trigger return spring as the reset gets softer than I like with the others. My usage so far says plan on a year season of regular dry fire (2 hours a week) and 40k ish rounds for the factory TRS. Slide stops seem to last around 25-30k.

    Its not needed but nice to have the aftermarket hammers (CGW/CZUB comp/CZC) clean up the trigger. an 11.5 MS with an extended firing pin and reduced weight return spring will light hard primers no problem.

    Keep extra slide stops, TRS and extractors for spare parts nothing else ever really breaks. And change the Trigger pin to the Cajun floating makes life easy when its time to replace a TRS

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    I am set up to compete in CO with Glock and Shadow 2 pistols, and have shot both for a number of years. Love them both. I split the CZ better and draw and transition the Glock better. The Shadow 2 seems much more reliable than the Shadow 1, although nothing is easier to maintain than a Glock.

    Will be interested in what you conclude after a month or two with the CZ.
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    I am set up to compete in CO with Glock and Shadow 2 pistols, and have shot both for a number of years. Love them both.
    Always nice to see all-encompassing love, especially when love for one feeds love for another. As in, having tried to stick with the Zee like three times in last two years, you never failed to return to Glocks within a month. Love is a strong thing.


    RE Shadow 2: main thing I like about it is that, once you got it, you cannot, absolutely and positively, blame anything on a gun.

    RE setup: I've had one extended FP stick inside that little hole, made for a fun day. I replaced it with a standard setup, and I don't even know which one of my three slides it is n. I also don't know what mainspring I have. I think it is 11 lbs. Never a light strike.
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