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Thread: The Gracie's Discuss "Should 'Chokeholds' Be Banned"

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    TOLERATED BY STEPHANIE LittleLebowski's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by hapkiconcepts View Post
    Hi all, i'm new to the forum. I'm a BJJ & MMA practitioner as well as and LEO/DT-Instructor. I like what the Gracie's say but think of the Vascular restraint as a "rainy day" option. I have a Combatives/ Control Tactics page I set up for other LEO's instructor's in my agency. see attach for my full point of view...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GadmjODjm8w


    my channel if your interested...

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9R...kVSkHbRM2qgF9g

    thanks all & stay safe.
    @runcible, your thoughts?

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    I agree with the video. I have to ditto what @FrankinCA said. The safety seen in BJJ is the participants are trained and there is usually somebody close by watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hapkiconcepts View Post
    Hi all, i'm new to the forum. I'm a BJJ & MMA practitioner as well as and LEO/DT-Instructor. I like what the Gracie's say but think of the Vascular restraint as a "rainy day" option. I have a Combatives/ Control Tactics page I set up for other LEO's instructor's in my agency. see attach for my full point of view...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GadmjODjm8w


    my channel if your interested...

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9R...kVSkHbRM2qgF9g

    thanks all & stay safe.
    Welcome to the forum. Anyone who likes the Wire and Bosch is probably going to fit right in!

    (I checked out several of your vids; cool channel.)

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    Played Judo as a kid and I believe I lost my first bout by tapping out of a choke hold. Probably won a few by getting the other guy to tap out of a choke. Choke holds are common, actually easier than the more esoteric techniques. Thousands of choke holds every day in dojos all over the USA. Another thing denied to LEO's, one less thing to try before going to the pistol. Sort of hard to tap out of a gunshot wound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DueSpada View Post
    Played Judo as a kid and I believe I lost my first bout by tapping out of a choke hold. Probably won a few by getting the other guy to tap out of a choke. Choke holds are common, actually easier than the more esoteric techniques. Thousands of choke holds every day in dojos all over the USA.

    I think it's important to note a few things when applying this analogy. Those thousands of choke holds applied in dojos all over the USA are being done in a controlled environment with a supervising instructor who is trained to notice the symptoms of someone no longer conscious in that chokehold and is ready to intervene at a moments' notice when someone has lost consciousness.

    I've seen at least a dozen instances over a decade in BJJ classrooms at multiple locations in multiple states in the US where an instructor has rushed over to tell a white or blue belt that their training partner has lost consciousness and they need to let go "RIGHT NOW!" I've heard lectures given to those students and had instructors vent to me behind the scenes with comments like "Geez, how long do you think they out for and still getting choked before I noticed?" (class of 20-50 students on the mat). Heard white and blue belts being asked by instructors "didn't you notice they were out?" with students embarrassed to admit they were so focused on keeping the choke tight they had no idea their opponent had lost consciousness. Had there been no supervision or instruction, I have no idea how long those holds would have continued on the unconscious opponent.

    Not to mention, the tapping out situation to end the hold is not generally an allowable street or police scenario.

    Keep in mind the average BJJ blue belt has been training for 1-5 years (almost no one at a reputable BJJ school gets a blue belt in under a year. Many, including myself took two years to get a blue belt and then spend 3 additional years at that rank) while spending 3-10 hours per week training BJJ. And this failure to release the hold on an unconscious training partner still occurs dozens (at least) of times across the US every year in those same dojos Fortunately, in those cases, there is a supervising instructor or ref to provide a failsafe. Most police officers have not had 200-1000 hours of supervised instruction in applying chokeholds nor could we reasonably expect them all to add that amount of training to all of their other aspects of job related training, IMO.



    I say the above as a former competitive brown belt with a decade of hard training in the sport of BJJ. I have been choked unconscious a few times over those years and similarly rendered others unconscious numerous times. Although plenty of people notice when someone has lost consciousness, plenty of others fall into tunnel vision and auditory exclusion and do not.

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