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    Quote Originally Posted by awp_101 View Post
    I had a friendly reason to chat with a couple of Hurst PD officers last year and I asked about the 1911s in their holsters as soon as it was polite to do so. I assumed they were private purchase, I never thought to ask if they were issued.
    They just switched to glocks with aimpoint acro and a tlr1

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigD View Post
    While I trust the FBI and big fed agencies to do proper testing before adopting something (and even then there have been some questionable decisions or issues that testing didn't reveal, I sure), I can't say the same for every PD.
    Almost no municipal (and damned few state) LE agencies have the resources or wherewithal to actually *test* gear, whether guns or cruisers or whatever. They all either piggyback off testing done by teh feds or one of a handful of large agencies, or else they buy whatever the chief thinks is cool or saw on the cover of Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement in the checkout line at the Piggly Wiggly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara View Post
    Almost no municipal (and damned few state) LE agencies have the resources or wherewithal to actually *test* gear, whether guns or cruisers or whatever. They all either piggyback off testing done by teh feds or one of a handful of large agencies, or else they buy whatever the chief thinks is cool or saw on the cover of Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement in the checkout line at the Piggly Wiggly.
    Local Sheriff is guilty of just that..While shopping for M4’s for the dept. a few years back, ends up buying Bushmasters, ignoring a super deal for Colts that was made by a local shop, for just very slightly more.. Deputy I know told me this, he carries his personal M4 on the job (BCM) turned down the Bushmaster.. Not surprisingly, the Bushmasters turned out to be problematic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    Local Sheriff is guilty of just that..While shopping for M4’s for the dept. a few years back, ends up buying Bushmasters, ignoring a super deal for Colts that was made by a local shop, for just very slightly more.. Deputy I know told me this, he carries his personal M4 on the job (BCM) turned down the Bushmaster.. Not surprisingly, the Bushmasters turned out to be problematic...
    There's a member on the forum whose agency made them turn in their Colts in exchange for Windham...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara View Post
    Almost no municipal (and damned few state) LE agencies have the resources or wherewithal to actually *test* gear, whether guns or cruisers or whatever. They all either piggyback off testing done by teh feds or one of a handful of large agencies, or else they buy whatever the chief thinks is cool or saw on the cover of Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement in the checkout line at the Piggly Wiggly.
    Exactly, but I thought he bought it at the Big Star.

    (I didn't mean that local PDs do much if any testing. But if you didn't know better, you'd think they'd have some 'gun guys' that have heard about plastic sights and can look to what the big PDs and feds are doing.)

    My understanding was that my own agency was about to pay a consultant $1 million to pick between the Glock and M&P. Before the red tape could be cut and the bureaucracy could get the contract signed, the FBI had chosen the Glock and in the end we just piggybacked off that, fortunately. Use that $1 million somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    There's a member on the forum whose agency made them turn in their Colts in exchange for Windham...
    Wow..kinda hard to understand the mental gymnastics involved in that decision, but, I guess if you don’t know what you don’t know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara View Post
    Almost no municipal (and damned few state) LE agencies have the resources or wherewithal to actually *test* gear, whether guns or cruisers or whatever. They all either piggyback off testing done by teh feds or one of a handful of large agencies, or else they buy whatever the chief thinks is cool or saw on the cover of Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement in the checkout line at the Piggly Wiggly.
    I have a sister at a large local LE agency in the South. Her agency’s patrol rifle T&E process was “the agency armorer wrote a white paper based on Internet forums and limited personal experience.”

    They ended up buying troublesome piston ARs from a company that went bankrupt in a couple years.

    They replaced their piston guns with over-gassed 16” Rock Rivers with short, chunky quadrails, because brass bought a time machine to get rifles from 2004.

    It’s like they’re trying to buy sub-optimal equipment on purpose.
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    I don't know what they "issued", but when I was a kid in Coconino County AZ, a lot of Sheriff's deputes carried 1911's. In the late 70's.
    In the early 80's to early 90's, again not knowing what they issued or even if they did issue a handgun, I know several Yavapai County AZ deputies who carried 1911's,(the 10mm Delta Elite when it came out was BIG), the 1st (and 2nd, 3rd) Delta Elite I ever saw was on a Yavapai Co. deputy, bought at J&G in Prescott.
    All with several extra mags and most with a J or K or L frame backup.
    One guy who was a good friend of my Dad (RIP Carmen), carried a .45 acp 1911 and 4 spare mags on the belt in Coconino County and probably a couple more mags in pockets, plus a couple revolvers.
    Usually in a Bianchi thumb break basket weave black holster if I'm recalling correctly and I think I am.

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    A couple of years ago, I ran into a local cop in Utah who looked like he was ready to step into a USPSA box. Canted mags, mag at 11 o’clock, the works. I think he had 8 mags on his belt. Was running a 1911 in what looked like a Safariland retention holster.

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