The UN supports ANTIFA

[BillSWPA]

I do not understand why the US is still a member of the UN, and why the US, given the size of its budget deficit, gives even a penny of money to the UN.

[fob1911]

Never really cared for the UN, corrupt fucks. Now more so.

UN needs to be defunded .....has lost its purpose and has become political and corruption is rampant.

[cheby]

Every time you post something like this on a gun forum, you drive a wedge and lose support for the Second Amendment.

Here's the reality. You either support the 2nd amendment or you vote for the left policies. There's nothing in between and it can't be both these days.

[JAD]

Every time you post something like this on a gun forum, you drive a wedge and lose support for the Second Amendment.

That isn’t what it seems like to me. I think liberal voters are going to vote for liberal candidates regardless of their alignment on 2A, because I don’t think 2A matters enough to either the candidates or the voters. 2A doesn’t have legs as a single issue for most. Because of that, and because of the consistent identification of 2A with the right (show me a couple of pro-life, anti-2A pols), left pols will not take a 2A position even if their constituency has a larger number of pro-2A inclined folks.

I think this is much more true now, as Trump has been very vocal about 2A. The orangemanbad reaction to that will inevitably be to distance the left from the 2A.

[Joe in PNG]

That isn’t what it seems like to me. I think liberal voters are going to vote for liberal candidates regardless of their alignment on 2A, because I don’t think 2A matters enough to either the candidates or the voters. 2A doesn’t have legs as a single issue for most. Because of that, and because of the consistent identification of 2A with the right (show me a couple of pro-life, anti-2A pols), left pols will not take a 2A position even if their constituency has a larger number of pro-2A inclined folks.

I think this is much more true now, as Trump has been very vocal about 2A. The orangemanbad reaction to that will inevitably be to distance the left from the 2A.

Conversely, it may be that the current unrest and uncertainty may be a net positive for the 2nd Amendment, regardless of their political affiliation. People are buying firearms in record numbers, and a lot of them are first time gun buyers- not to mention a lot of classic Fudds who are suddenly wanting to get one of those scary black assault rifles they poo-pooed a few years ago.

There's a lot more people who are actually invested in being allowed to own a gun, because they are going through all the hoops to actually go and buy one at today's inflated prices.

Now, I don't expect most of those people to suddenly become Born Again Trump Supporting Small Government Republicans, but this will have a bigger invigorating effect on gun rights than the AWB had back in 94.

[blues]

Conversely, it may be that the current unrest and uncertainty may be a net positive for the 2nd Amendment, regardless of their political affiliation. People are buying firearms in record numbers, and a lot of them are first time gun buyers- not to mention a lot of classic Fudds who are suddenly wanting to get one of those scary black assault rifles they poo-pooed a few years ago.

There's a lot more people who are actually invested in being allowed to own a gun, because they are going through all the hoops to actually go and buy one at today's inflated prices.

Now, I don't expect most of those people to suddenly become Born Again Trump Supporting Small Government Republicans, but this will have a bigger invigorating effect on gun rights than the AWB had back in 94.

We can dream, can't we?

[JAD]

Conversely, it may be that the current unrest and uncertainty may be a net positive for the 2nd Amendment.

In general I admire your optimism from a safe distance.

I think that the value of guns has gone up in general in the American psyche. I think that will be a factor that motivates the right and demotivates the left, a little, and I think that it may force the left to slow their roll a little in that direction. It will be reversed by the next school shooting.

[HCM]

In general I admire your optimism from a safe distance.

I think that the value of guns has gone up in general in the American psyche. I think that will be a factor that motivates the right and demotivates the left, a little, and I think that it may force the left to slow their roll a little in that direction. It will be reversed by the next school shooting.

The Biden campaign just pushed out a social media campaign touting dopey Joe reintroducing the 1994 assault weapons ban if elected.

[blues]

The Biden campaign just pushed out a social media campaign touting dopey Joe reintroducing the 1994 assault weapons ban if elected.

When our elected officials go without a security team, I'll consider going without arms...(for a moment).

At least the Secret Service shouldn't need anything more than a shotgun to protect the guy who put ol' Corn Pop in his place.

[JRB]

To be fair, I believe Joe is talking about support among us mere taxpayers as a whole - not within the 'Ban all Orange People/Words we don't like/Things we don't like/and Guns!' political feely-good pandering machine pretending to be Democratic these days.