The flip side of "buy a cheap gun and have money left over for ammo..."

[Sig Willy]

It certainly would be nice to buy a well made (and well priced) pistol to own but are they really worth the price they command? I think some do but not all. I only based this on my observations and reviews on the net. Over a year ago I wanted a pistol for HD/SD and since I'm on a budget I did a lot of researches online. I bought a Keltec PF9 9mm pistol ($285) at the range. Turned out to be a good pistol and since I bought it for SD it turned into a range gun. Who would've thought that shooting is so much fun?

After 1200 rounds I thought I need a range gun that will serve as SD as well so I sold the PF9 to fund a new gun. More researches later The Sigma 9mm really looked good pricewise ($320) and qualitywise. I bought it at the range last Feb as I do all my gun related business there (they're good people and family run.) The Sigma has a hard trigger but I didn't mind it and when SHTF I don't think I'll notice. Great shooter (600 rounds) and I still have it, it's a keeper. They were also the first time I owned and shot a 9mm and I'm impressed with it.

I never shot a 40sw before and I wanted one to try so I ordered a Sigma 40 last March at the range. Their suppliers were back logged so after two weeks of waiting I decided to get a different brand so they showed me a Sig P250c 40sw they have on sale for $415. It felt good in my hand and seemed well made so I bought it. That was a great shooter too. They both never failed on me after 500-600 rounds (each) so far.

I think I did good even though others didn't like their triggers but they didn't bother me.

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Crosman Custom Pistol and 11-year Old Lucas Morgan Wins State Pistol Championship!

Posted By admin on May 8, 2012

2012-pistol-awards-4Lucas Morgan looks like most any 11-year old, except for the neck full of medals won with a 2300KT designed in the Crosman Custom Shop. He recently added the Nebraska State Progressive Pistol Championship by scoring a 393 of a possible 400, a new state record. He followed that with the Nebraska 4-H State Championship, Sporter Class title where he also outshot all but one in the next age group of precision shooters. Lucas outperformed shooters using some of the most recognized names in competitive shooting: Steyr, Biakal, Pardini, Moroni, Feinwerkau.

His father, Dave, is the pistol coach for the Lincoln (Nebraska) Shooting Stars and contacted Crosman ahead of the Nebraska State Championship. Dave was considering an alternate front sight for the 2300 that is in use on another Crosman competition pistol and eventually visited with Mark DeBoard, Shooting Services Manager and Crosman Prostaff.

“Here’s a kid who built a gun from the ground up right in our Custom Shop for around $300 and is out there scoring better and taking home medals against shooters using pistols costing thousands of dollars,” said DeBoard.

Lucas designed his 2300KT with the Lothar Walther barrel and Williams rear sight. Open 24/7, the Custom Shop has a huge variety of options, starting with the 2300KT pistol base configuration or the 2400KT carbine. Build one today!

[Joe in PNG]

Cheap is a strange thing. For roughly the same price, one can get a PA-64 or a HighPoint; a Bersa or a used K Framed Smith; a 1911 like object or a Glock/M&P; a Sig 220 or H&K 45 or Kimber... A $500 Glock is often a much better gun than a $1100 Kimber, even if it's $600 cheaper.

But back on topic- If I was on a limited budget, and had to buy a cheap gun so I can have ammo money to shoot it, or get a good gun and scrimp for ammo... I have always found it best to go with something good when starting out. Heavens knows I've bought my share of cheap guns, only to sell them off at a big loss because I wasn't happy with it, and wanted something better. And it's not just the gun, but the extra mags, holsters, ammo... I can get 9mm at pretty much any Wal-Mart, but my best friend who owns a Makarov has to either trek around the county, or order online if he wants ammo or even spare mags.

[tesseract]

Cheap is a strange thing. For roughly the same price, one can get a PA-64 or a HighPoint; a Bersa or a used K Framed Smith; a 1911 like object or a Glock/M&P; a Sig 220 or H&K 45 or Kimber... A $500 Glock is often a much better gun than a $1100 Kimber, even if it's $600 cheaper.

And for those of us with champagne tastes on beer budgets, there's always the used market... I have 2 HK USP Compacts I bought, used, for the cost of 1 new one; I've seen Gen2 Glocks in great condition sell in the $300 range.

I know some people don't always feel comfortable with a gun that may not have a warranty, and a gun that they don't know where it's been or how it's been treated. I get that; we each have our own comfort levels.

As far as the original question, I'd be more than fine using a mid-90's Sig for free ammo.

[Tamara]

I know some people don't always feel comfortable with a gun that may not have a warranty, and a gun that they don't know where it's been or how it's been treated. I get that; we each have our own comfort levels.

Phhhttt! Taking the depreciation hit by buying a new gun is for suckers. Out of the I have no idea how many hundreds of guns I've owned, if ten were bought new, I'd be shocked. (And even then, they were often bought as discontinued overruns from discount wholesalers, like my S&W 296 or Mateba...)

If there's a more durable consumer good than a quality firearm, I don't know what it is. As I type, there's a 110 year old Smith revolver next to my elbow I bought last weekend. Works fine.

My point is Taurus in general have a very bad rap. I have a sample size of 4 that have shot in excess of 4500 rounds error free (again not a high round count, I know). I bought taurus, simply because they were cheap and I didn't "know". I sold Taurus because I wanted to be able to actually have aftermarket support for my pistols.

I look at it from a different perspective: I stopped carrying Taurus pistols when the problem rate got above about 30%. For the end user, that's a 70% chance of having a satisfying ownership experience; for the dealer, that's three pissed off customers out of every ten.