Pray, continue the discussion on the American Civil War here:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....-States-Rights
Pray, continue the discussion on the American Civil War here:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....-States-Rights
First, it was the War of Northern Aggression, hard to get the conversation started when you start with the wrong description.
This should be in the romper room.
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The plain wording of several declarations of seccession should answer the question.
If we have to march off into the next world, let us walk there on the bodies of our enemies.
Obviated by thread culling.
Last edited by Medusa; 06-09-2020 at 07:28 PM.
Georgia:
Mississippi:For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.
Texas:Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association.
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Georgia:
For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.Mississippi:By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.
While the subordination and the political and social inequality of the African race was fully conceded by all, it was plainly apparent that slavery would soon disappear from what are now the non-slave-holding States of the original thirteen. The opposition to slavery was then, as now, general in those States and the Constitution was made with direct reference to that fact.
South Carolina starts off about state's rights but it's clear which rights they are addressing:Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.
Etc. I'm not sure how revisionist one needs to be to say it wasn't about slavery. You can couch it in terms of 'state's rights' but the right in question was to hold slaves.Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
Yes, I know, most citizens and soldiers didn't own slaves. Most of our citizens and soldiers don't own oil refineries, either. Yet modern economies require oil so off to war we go to secure supplies for us and our allies and deny it to our enemies.
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Well, the way they phrased it is that they were insisting on a state’s right to be a slave state. Turns out, there was some significant disagreement with that position.
And rightly so.
The larger, overall issue was state’s rights, but let’s not minimize the HUGENESS of the issue of slavery.
Search for, and read, the various states’ ordinances of secession. Slavery was very important, to the movers and shakers in the states that allowed slavery.
Presumably, I have ancestors on both sides of the slavery issue, for whatever that is worth. My Texas/Louisiana German ancestors would almost certainly have been anti-slavery, and almost certainly pro-Union. My Anglo/Scottish Texian ancestors had migrated to Texas from the Old South, and so some may have been pro-secession. Most of my ancestors, on my father’s side, were probably far too poor to even dream of owning slaves, and the one that brought my quite rare surname to the USA is said to have immigrated more recently than the Civil War, anyway.
Last edited by Rex G; 06-09-2020 at 06:52 PM.
Retar’d LE. Kinesthetic dufus.
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