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    Quote Originally Posted by WDR View Post
    I've long thought this.
    Their parent company is owned by the PLA.

    I don’t hate Holosun or boycott their products but I try to be realistic about who and what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Holosun posted this on their Instagram tonight. I wonder who thought it was a great idea to point an AR at SHOT attendees' heads to demonstrate their new technology.

    Attachment 114386

    The post mentions there is no barrel.on this setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G19Fan View Post
    The post mentions there is no barrel.on this setup.
    That is better, although I still cringe at pointing things at humans.
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    Their parent company is owned by the PLA.

    I don’t hate Holosun or boycott their products but I try to be realistic about who and what they are.
    For those of us that don’t know that acronym, what is the PLA?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawkguitarist View Post
    For those of us that don’t know that acronym, what is the PLA?

    Thanks

    The People's Liberation Army - the Chinese military.

    The PLA refers to all the Chinese, Armed Forces, the Chinese themselves call their Air Force the PLAAF (People’s Liberation Army Air Force) and their navy the PLAN (People’s Liberation Army Navy).

    The PLA is somewhat unique in that it owns a variety of companies both in the defense sector, and in other sectors, for both strategic interests and self funding the PLA.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0603/...tl.intl.4.html

    The business empire of "PLA Inc.," as its critics call it, is vast. "Most experts agree the PLA owns 25,000 to 30,000 companies," says a Western official in Beijing.

    The Army's hand in its enterprises is often camouflaged. "Some of these guys have two name cards - one says Mr. So and So and the other says Colonel So and So," the official says. One result: American consumers buy millions of PLA-made products unknowingly (story, Page 8).
    https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/0...h=3fe9e410303f


    When it comes to the Chinese army, Hong Kong’s Paul Kan learned to say yes a long time ago. In the late 1980s he tried to start a radio paging business in China for his Champion Technology. The bureaucrats at the Ministry of Posts & Telecommunications dithered, but companies owned by the military jumped at the chance. “They were very eager to do business,” recalls Kan, who now has paging franchises in dozens of cities across China, mainly through partnerships with firms controlled by local units of the PLA.

    Since the PLA began marching into business in the early 1980s with approval from the Chinese leadership, it has built a sprawling network of businesses. These enterprises do everything from raising pigs to running airlines and hospitals, mining coal to owning hotels and operating paging and cellular networks. Three of the 12 teams in China’s new professional basketball league (Forbes, Mar. 10) are owned by units of the PLA, units of which also own several of the country’s largest textile and pharmaceutical manufacturers.

    Stories like this have convinced some outsiders that the People’s Liberation Army is an octopus controlling much of Chinese industry and commerce. “The great part of U.S. business in China is with companies and cartels controlled by the Chinese military,” New York Times columnist Abraham Rosenthal wrote recently. ;

    But it is easy to read too much into all this. There is little centralized coordination among the literally thousands of businesses with military affiliations. Many of the larger military affiliated companies are run either by individual military officers or retired officers; others are managed by civilians. In theory the Chinese military’s General Logistics Department oversees the PLA’s commercial operations, but it has publicly admitted it does not even know how many enterprises are under military control. Nor is it able to enforce anything resembling accurate accounting.

    June Teufel Dreyer, a specialist on the Chinese military at the University of Miami, evokes the image of feudal Chinese warlords when she describes the modern PLA’S businesses:

    “It’s not a state within a state, but fiefdoms within a state,” she says. “It’s an entrepreneurial army, which has had its attention diverted from its stated purpose of defense. [PLA] units would rather raise profits than slog through the mud drilling.”

    Which of course does raise problems for the civil authorities. PLA business units operating autonomously have been accused of counterfeiting compact discs, sneaking ballistic missiles out of China to Iran and smuggling in luxury cars from South Korea. Obviously the civil authorities will think twice before confronting a powerful local general. Says James Mulvenon, a China military consultant for RAND: “If there’s money to be made, the PLA’s there.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    The People's Liberation Army - the Chinese military.

    The PLA refers to all the Chinese, Armed Forces, the Chinese themselves call their Air Force the PLAAF (People’s Liberation Army Air Force) and their navy the PLAN (People’s Liberation Army Navy).

    The PLA is somewhat unique in that it owns a variety of companies both in the defense sector, and in other sectors, for both strategic interests and self funding the PLA.

    https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/0...h=3fe9e410303f

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/.../1356788973104
    Ah, thanks.

    Yeah, it would be great if Holosun was a non-Chinese company. But for my needs, there’s simply no company that offers a suitable alternative. I wonder if/when that may happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawkguitarist View Post
    Ah, thanks.

    Yeah, it would be great if Holosun was a non-Chinese company. But for my needs, there’s simply no company that offers a suitable alternative. I wonder if/when that may happen?
    There have been points when RMRs were under $400, and Primary Arms has a new dot (RS15) coming that is made in the Phillipines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah View Post
    There have been points when RMRs were under $400, and Primary Arms has a new dot (RS15) coming that is made in the Phillipines.
    Thanks. Price isn’t an issue. For carry optics, in my experience/research Holosun is still the standard. Features, reliability, and those I trust with way more experience favoring them, etc. I don’t believe there’s anything close to the EPS and EPS Carry. I’m more than open to being wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawkguitarist View Post
    Thanks. Price isn’t an issue. For carry optics, in my experience/research Holosun is still the standard. Features, reliability, and those I trust with way more experience favoring them, etc. I don’t believe there’s anything close to the EPS and EPS Carry. I’m more than open to being wrong though.
    I was going to post to say the same. I'd even pay a small premium for a US made optic that was essentially the same as the EPS.

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    I wonder how long it'll be before they make helmet-mounted NV/thermal combos using their existing stuff to mount on a bump helmet.

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