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[Zincwarrior]

All protesters are not rioters and all rioters are not protesters but it sure seems like all riots start with a protest.

You appear to have a problem with the Bill of Rights.

[David C.]

SecDef Mike Esper just came out against the use of troops to restore order. I expect he will be removed shortly.

[RevolverRob]

All protesters are not rioters and all rioters are not protesters but it sure seems like all riots start with a protest.

I mean...riots don't appear out of thin air. Then they'd be called "mobs"...

@RevolverRob

While the Mayor’s speech was a bit overtop (in a Trumpish way) protests have still been allowed pre-curfew. But, when it’s curfew time you leave or go to jail. At least yesterday and Monday a few folks decided to be arrested as a form of civil disobedience, but I thnk only one was charged with resisting arrest downtown.

That's good.

[Zincwarrior]

SecDef Mike Esper just came out against the use of troops to restore order. I expect he will be removed shortly.

Evidently the church photo-op clusterfuck was Ivanka and Hicks' idea.

[peterb]

This would be why I advocate for the protesters to police their own much more aggressively. If a bad actor is found, they need to be educated in the error of their ways. I'll leave others in the moment to decide what that education should be.

Agree in principle, but in practice the nonviolent protesters have a hard time dealing with people who are happy to be violent.

The civil rights protest marches in the 60s were not open to anyone who showed up. They were groups of volunteers who had been specifically trained in nonviolence.



The current protests don't have that level of organization. It's sad that they should have to.

[the Schwartz]

All protesters are not rioters and all rioters are not protesters but it sure seems like all riots start with a protest.

You appear to have a problem with the Bill of Rights.

No, he absolutely does not and he's got it right. Once lawful, peaceable assembly (and protest) devolves into rioting, looting, assault, robbery and vandalism, the criminal behavior is no longer sanctified by the BoR.

[DC_P]

@RevolverRob

As I said a couple days ago. At this point, if you're organizing a "protest," you're basically providing an engraved invitation and cover to bad actors, and that makes you part of the problem.

What message is your protest going to deliver that everyone in the country isn't well aware of by now? What more needs to be demonstrated about that's worth inviting the destroyers and thieves into anybody's neighborhood?

This was my thought as well. If bad actors continue to use your peaceful protests as a cover for illegal acts, maybe something different needs to be done. They can publicly denounce the looters and rioters all they want, but the bottom line is they are providing the cover for these people and no matter how well intentioned the protesting may have started, their cause will forever be remembered for the violence and destruction of innocent people’s property that it led to.

[HCM]

What does Florida man and an older case in Utah have to do with the current rioting?

Pattern. There have been more of these in other locations during the current unpleasantness

[Joe in PNG]

Of course, one cannot condemn the current protest without also condemning the various lockdown protest of a few weeks ago, or the Virginia gun rights protest a few months ago.

[ranger]

Of course, one cannot condemn the current protest without also condemning the various lockdown protest of a few weeks ago, or the Virginia gun rights protest a few months ago.

I missed something - there was rioting and looting at the lockdown protest or the VA gun rights protest? Why do these events not have the riots and property damage? Why does antifa and anarchists not take advantage of peaceful lockdown protests ?