the rumors are true. PMAGs are magazines.Originally Posted by TCinVA
the rumors are true. PMAGs are magazines.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. -George Orwell
My last trip in uniform overseas i used a mix-match of USGI, Lancer, and pmags.
If pmags were left in my gear for more than a couple days, the top couple rounds wound NEVER feed properly. On any of them. (This was due to HEAVY loads of dirt and debris.) USGI and Lancer mags had zero malfunctions. (At least, none that stand out in my memory, i didn't exactly keep a data book and ask the indians to stop hucking their arrows and spears whenever i needed to jot something down.) Since, i've phased out pmags in favor of USGI.
I don't see the issue with this. Pmags don't solve any problems that arise when using quality USGI mags that are within their service life. If some joe (Or boot, for my side of the house.) wants to run out and spend a quarter of their paycheck on unneeded magazines, they're dumb. There's plenty of strip clubs and tattoo shops surrounding their duty station where the money would be better spent.
One thing overlooked is that junk magazines are also not authorized - think Orlites and Tapco.
This is only an issue for the guys who have bought P-Mags to carry because their issued mags suck. The issued mags suck normally because either they are worn out and thier supply chain refuses to DX a magazine, or the mags have been abused by retards, or both.
On top of dropping gear so that the mags take the impact, or dropping other gear on the mags, one of the worst things Joe does to mags is when they have to download them. Most guys haven't a freaking clue on how to unload a mag. I have commonly seen guys flipping the bullet end of the round upwards with their thumb, rocking the round out of the mags in an upward arc. This is far easier to do than pushing them out with your thumb as they are designed to feed so that what a lot of guys do. Everybody I have shown how to properly download a mag using a tool to depress the second round in the stack, such as a ball round or a Glock tool, thinks I am a magician.
Back in the day before there was anything but GI mags we stretched the springs to get more life out of them for that day (when you are the guy that has to run the range for the entire battalion and you have to deal with what guys are carrying when they show up you do what you have to do to get by).
When green followers came along I used those and Ken Elmore's super springs to upgrade all of my mags. Those mags still work just fine.
I'm not an M4carbine forum SME and never will make that grade, but I have used the M16/AR15 system for better than 30 years now, some of it in rather hard use. I personally prefer the P-Mags to GI mags, but I have bet my life on GI mags before and have no issues with doing so again.
This is a VERY REAL problem and concern. And I can understand not wanting to blindly use what was handed to you, especially if what is handed to you sucks. But Joe can still go out and buy GI mags, which are authorized, and work just fine. And hopefully still have enough money left over for some tattoos. Which I am also a huge fan of.
You can get much more of what you want with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.
Isn't it tough to find 'true' government contact mags? And aren't there alot of shitty aluminum mags that look just like those that are desirable and marketed as USGI?
Seems like very few grunts are going to make a thread on m4carbine trying to figure out what aluminum mags are gtg and currently available.
With pmags, if a soldier was relatively switched on, he at least had a relatively safe bet, and one that was always available.
And LOL at "I don't need lube, I have pmags." no words.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. -George Orwell
The Army is banning the PMAG and the Marines are issuing Serpas. My head shakes in disbelief, and my heart is filled with sadness.
The big deal lies primarily in the flaws in the information upon which the policy is based.
The test is years old, and was kind of like getting a medical diagnosis, in that, if one dislikes the diagnosis one gets.....keep picking different specialists until you get diagnosed with the disease you WANT to have.
I LOL'ed.
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