Quote Originally Posted by JAD
"How much time have you spent in the PRC? I'm not sure I'm taking issue with your statement, just wanting to know your context."
NJ Says:
"High population in my area..... Coworkers neighbors etc.
Which obviously could be a skewed sample..."
NJ I take your answer to mean that you have been around a lot of people from the PRC. To the point-how much time have you spent in the PRC?
Last edited by vcdgrips; 05-11-2020 at 11:49 AM.
I just bought an RM06 on friday. It was double the price of a Holosun 407. Where are these cheap optics, @bigbob ?
(Yeah, yeah, I know that’s Russia. They all look the same through Hamms beer goggles.)
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Bold is my highlight.
I agree with 90% and the gist of your post, however I will pass along one observation. A family member goes to school with many Chinese nationals. Yes they are young people, maybe naive and indoctrinated, certainly represent the upper class in China, but... as a group they are very sensitive to any criticism of their country. From the party line and historical critique to modern culture, they believe their way is the right way.
All I'm trying to say is, F@ck China, cause they will not hesitate to f@ck us."
Last edited by Alembic; 05-11-2020 at 12:04 PM.
They out number us 4-to-1 are they wrong?
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I've mentioned before, one of my PhD supervisors is Chinese, now an American Citizen and has been here since ~1985. That said he returns to China regularly and his parents still live in China.
He'll be the first to tell you, the government is fucked. But the average person just wants to go to work and do their job. And that they like consumerism as much as the average American, along with eating. I don't think China wants to conquer the world. East Asia? Totally. But the world? Nah.
As for China once the enemy always the enemy or something...the Chinese fought alongside us against the Japanese in WW2 and frankly if we had better supported the Kuomintang immediately post-war, China would, today, probably be 2-3 countries instead of a monolith that is controlled by the CPC. I'm not saying it is the U.S.'s fault that the PRC exists, but I believe if we had better supported them, we might have an East and West China like we had an East and West Germany. Our decision to allow the Soviets to aid CPC and severely limit support to the Kuomintang ultimately resulted in latter's loss of the Chinese Civil War.
At this point, the CPC and PRC are irrevocably linked and we are not capable of toppling them at any level (should we want to). But as we learned during the Cold War, frankly we don't need to topple a country using force or politics. Capitalism is the ultimate tool for bringing about the collapse of autocratic societies. For every U.S. Dollar Spent in China, for every trade agreement, for every Chinese citizen allowed out of China and into the western world, we move a little bit closer to a more democratic China.
While I believe we should support American Manufacturing and infrastructure - particularly so the next time a fucking pandemic sweeps in we aren't dependent on imports for major PPE and other important goods - I also think it is very important to spend dollars in other countries, because the greenback is a powerful political tool. I'm not suggesting it's going to happen over night, but consider where China was in 1970 vs. 2020. In 50 years, censorship has been relaxed, economic mobility has increased, the country has become increasingly Westernized - Is it perfect? Nope. But Nixon opened trade relations with China in 1972 and in the intervening 48-years, we did more to undermine the CPC and PRC via economic trade, than a war ever could.
Just my thoughts.
Moving manufacturing overseas made money for our financial elites - it was supported by both the GOP and Democratic rich classes. They didn't care if it clobbered our working class. Surprise.
We can't fight China today as all my life saving medicines would disappear before we could start up here. OOPS! Lose my sight and drop dead!
BTW, guess what - we build and design crappy ships, so we are now buying Italian frigates! We are arming some of our ships with Norwegian missiles. How about that!
How come Swiss cheese was invented in Switzerland? How come our new handgun is a SIG. Why do we carry Glocks! All a foreign plot.
How come I have a shirt on made in Viet Nam? They are the enemy! XDs are from Croatia - not a particularly charming country in WWII.
Trump ties and NRA knifes are made in CHINA. Send them a check!