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    870 side folder?

    Peeling from the PDW thread, I think the little Rattler is beyond cool and I get the attraction both as a defensive weapon and the non-NFA travel legal PDW side of things.

    As someone who can remember the dozen or so times in my life that ATF has approved something in writing, and then completely changed their mind later (e.g. bump stocks, Akins accellerator, Streetsweeper 12ga, open bolt semi-autos of all types, etc. etc. etc.), I remain skeptical that pistols with side folding braces will remain legal forever. But I hope I am wrong and they opened the floodgates on that sort of thing forever.

    For a compact travel friendly PDW'ish thing, but down the shotgun path, I have owned an old Stevens 520 and a 620 (it is a takedown design) that I set up in 18.5" riot gun configuration and 12.5" LOP, as well as a takedown Winchester M12. The advantage of all those is I can take them apart and have something transportable in a package almost as small as the little Rattler. But forget quick deployment.

    I find the old over folding versions of the 870 stock to suck for shooting and the LOP was way too long for me. As for the pistol stock only shotgun (or "firearm") variants, I find them all to be an abominable shooting experience and not likely to improve any aspect of my marksmanship over and above my pistol.

    I owned one of the Choate side foldering stocks with the pistol grip, it was a wobbly horrible POS.

    I think the bullpup configuration shotguns likely have promise but I am not convinced any of them are truly reliable yet, or at least one that is not too heavy and bulky has proven reliable.

    I am not ready to trust the bullpup 870 conversions, since I don't have a trusted source to tell me those really work well. Although that would certainly seem to hold promise.

    What I wish someone would make is a really a decent practical side folding stock for my 18" 870. Something like the magpul stock but side folding. Like the LAW folding adapter for an AR but it fits the Magpul 870 stock... I don't consider the clones of an AR carbine stock designed to fit the 870 as a decent solution...tried one, it sucked for me shooting it.

    I know that a 26" folded 870 package is still too long to fit the ideal PDW profile many think of, and since it is not a rifle or pistol cartridge it is not a real PDW in the classic sense. But it would not be very heavy, would fit any suitcase I own or most gym duffels, some backpacks. And that 870 level of reliability and shootability at least. And for certain as legal of a transportable firearm as anything that size could be. If somebody knows of one such adapter, please post it here.
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    In the past ~18 years since I bought my first 870, I've tried pretty much every folding or collapsible 870 stock made. The best one is the factory 870 folding stock that Remington came out with a couple years ago. It's sturdy and has a cheek weld that's almost as good as a fixed stock with a pistol grip.

    https://www.remington.com/shop/870-1...ck-Kit/p/18604

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    Dude, I would love it if Magpul came out with either a folding adapter for the SGA, or maybe a convertible stock where the butt detaches from the pistol grip for storage. If a folder, I wouldn't care if it could fire while folded or not, as long as it is quick to deploy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleverNickname View Post
    factory 870 folding stock that Remington came out with a couple years ago. ..[/url]
    Thanks, appears Midwest Gun Works is selling them for $106, I would prefer a non-pistol grip, the more traditional stock, but this may be worth a try. I assume by "sturdy", you don't find the thing to be wobbly once deployed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatdog View Post
    Thanks, appears Midwest Gun Works is selling them for $106, I would prefer a non-pistol grip, the more traditional stock, but this may be worth a try. I assume by "sturdy", you don't find the thing to be wobbly once deployed?
    Great minds think alike. I just got mine from MGW on Wednesday, and shot various Foster slugs, Brennekes, and my own 00 reloads through it yesterday. So far I like it more than Benelli fixed PG stocks, and every 870 folder I've ever tried. If you have an oversized safety you need to do some surgery. I'm thinking about putting one on my HD 870, too.
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    The folding stocks certainly do reduce the overall size of the gun. The motor cops with a local PD have shotguns with top folders mounted to their bikes.

    Anyone know a good folder for a Mossbery 500/590?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatdog View Post
    Thanks, appears Midwest Gun Works is selling them for $106, I would prefer a non-pistol grip, the more traditional stock, but this may be worth a try. I assume by "sturdy", you don't find the thing to be wobbly once deployed?
    Nope, it locks up tight. It has a bias towards closure when partway folded, but it only actually locks in place when it's all the way open.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark D View Post
    The folding stocks certainly do reduce the overall size of the gun. The motor cops with a local PD have shotguns with top folders mounted to their bikes.
    I bought a new old stock metal Remington top folder like 10 years ago in my quest to find a good 870 folding stock. It looked cool and when folded did reduce the OAL a significant amount. But shooting it was Not Fun.

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    This is what I did -

    https://www.mesatactical.com/product...and-20-ga.html ($80.00)

    https://www.lawtactical.com/ar_foldi..._m_p/99312.htm ($269.00 - got to admit had one already)

    https://sylvanarms.com/product/arh300/ ($169.00 - found this while looking for clones of the Law Folder)

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3300...archweb201603_ (found the clone LOL)

    Standard AR carbine tube

    AR Stock

    AR Pistol grip - use one that does not have a backstrap filler

    Got to admit, I probably wouldn't have done it, except I had all the pieces EXCEPT the Mesa Tactical adaptor.
    Last edited by DDTSGM; 05-08-2020 at 11:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Lehr View Post
    This is what I did -

    https://www.mesatactical.com/product...and-20-ga.html ($80.00)

    https://www.lawtactical.com/ar_foldi..._m_p/99312.htm ($269.00 - got to admit had one already)

    https://sylvanarms.com/product/arh300/ ($169.00 - found this while looking for clones of the Law Folder)

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3300...archweb201603_ (found the clone LOL)

    Standard AR carbine tube

    AR Stock

    AR Pistol grip - use one that does not have a backstrap filler

    Got to admit, I probably wouldn't have done it, except I had all the pieces EXCEPT the Mesa Tactical adaptor.
    No-pic Fail

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    I agree this Remington folder is the sturdiest I have ever handled. I am not a fan of pistol grips on shotguns in general, but this setup is acceptable as it gets the folded unit down to about 26" with an 18" barrel. Had to file on the top of the pistol grip for a while to accommodate my oversized safety, but not that hard to fix. Thanks CleverNickname for the tip!

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