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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote41 View Post
    No.

    PDWs are something like a scout rifle. Neat to discuss and theorize about, but realistically a dated concept. I’m talking the true PDW concept like the HK P90 and HK MP7. If it fires a true rifle cartridge then it isn’t a PDW, it’s an SBR (or braced-pistol).
    Meh. That's a fairly dated and simplistic understanding of the concept of the PDW and misses the mark.

    The term "PDW" may have been first used by a 1986 NATO RFP, but things have evolved since then to include the efficacy of short barrel 5.56 weapons (or 300 for that matter). The development of SCHV projectiles for that NATO requirement was due to the lack of functional SMG sized weapons in rifle calibers such as 5.56. That's not a problem anymore, but it doesn't mean an SMG-sized 5.56 isn't a PDW. They're very much PDWs, fulfilling the same conceptual use and also the industry using the term PDW in such a manner for 2 decades now.

    The only dramatic difference in concept is that with the GWOT and explosion of the high-threat protection details employing PDWs, the PDW has developed a connotation for a concealable low-visibility platform, though it's not strictly necessary by the original NATO concept for use by uniformed military personnel.

    Meh. Just another example of why we shouldn't have a PDW forum, because not everyone agrees on the definition and stuff that should go in the PDW thread won't, and stuff that should go in the rifle forum won't. Plenty of examples of people not being able to put shit in the correct threads/sub-forums outside this...we've already got people talking about non-collapsible 16" ARs in the PDW thread and people posting pictures of a SCAR in a Mk18 thread.

    All the more reason to just let it all be in the rifle forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    if we want to be semantic (and we all know how I am with semantics). The pistol-versions of ARs and other PDWs should just be in the semi-automatic pistol sub-forum. I'm paranoid, to a degree, but placing pistols in the pistol sub-forum, instead of in the Rifle and Carbines sub-forum seems like it might be a good idea from a potential legal justification stand point (i.e., it indicates you didn't intend to use your brace-equipped pistol as a rifle..or some such non-sense).
    I think this is the best argument for a PDW subforum. The PDW concept as discussed includes both rifles and pistols. It blurs the lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    Meh. That's a fairly dated and simplistic understanding of the concept of the PDW and misses the mark.

    The term "PDW" may have been first used by a 1986 NATO RFP, but things have evolved since then to include the efficacy of short barrel 5.56 weapons (or 300 for that matter). The development of SCHV projectiles for that NATO requirement was due to the lack of functional SMG sized weapons in rifle calibers such as 5.56. That's not a problem anymore, but it doesn't mean an SMG-sized 5.56 isn't a PDW. They're very much PDWs, fulfilling the same conceptual use and also the industry using the term PDW in such a manner for 2 decades now.

    The only dramatic difference in concept is that with the GWOT and explosion of the high-threat protection details employing PDWs, the PDW has developed a connotation for a concealable low-visibility platform, though it's not strictly necessary by the original NATO concept for use by uniformed military personnel.
    Meanwhile the Russians have been laughing in suchka since 1979.

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