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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    Got to wonder if so many years of training for and playing by MMA rules limited his approach.
    I've wondered that too, but I think it may be along the same lines of competition shooting gettin you kilt in the streetz. It could be the difference between a guy who grew up street tough and got into fighting/martial arts later vs a guy that grew up wearing polo shirts and doing point karate.

    Out of the guys at my gym who are either amateur or pro fighters, only one of them that I know of has been in a street fight since I've known him and he fuuuuuuucked the guy up. I know the guy he beat up(small town) and the dude has been fighting his whole life. It might be one of those things where "it depends" is the right answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    Got to wonder if so many years of training for and playing by MMA rules limited his approach.
    Well, he didnít kill they guy when he had the knife, so I would imagine he didnít want to kill him with his bare hands either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockey View Post
    I think a bunch of people missed that the guy that broke into his house was a high-level High School wrestler. The people that think some random untrained dude off the street is going to break into an elite MMA fighters house and give him a hard time are cracking me up here.
    The badguy always gets a vote and nobody is 100% all the time, plus retard/meth strength is a thing (I know itís not a pc term, but it describes an actual condition) Ask @03RN or police here about fighting edpís. The idea that somebody is never at risk of getting an ass kicking because theyíre a pro fighter is silly, nobody can always be ready to fight all the time.

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    Ultimately, this theorizing cuts both ways. On the one hand, Smith was woken up at 4am by some guy going ape in his house. He literally had seconds to go from 0-60 and the bottom line is that his family was safe, and itís the other guyís blood on the wall. Smith emerged from one of the more disconcerting events that can happen to a homeowner without a scratch, and that speaks highly to his skills.

    I suspect that the addition of the knife introduced more chaos into a situation that was already plenty chaotic. Itís not the same thing at all, but, I have a memory of having my hands full during an evo in ECQC, and Craig stirring the pot by throwing a discarded sim gun back into the scrap right next to us. I *clearly* remember thinking "hell, thatís the last thing I need; I canít afford to let go of this guy right now," so I threw it back out.
    I was struck by Smithís comments about the knife, in that light.

    As to playing by MMA rules/scars/kilt/streetz, the Gracies have been banging that drum for a while, and I personally feel that there might be something to it, from my admittedly absolute bottom-tier perspective. I freely acknowledge that exponentially more qualified people than I can disagree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    As to playing by MMA rules/scars/kilt/streetz, the Gracies have been banging that drum for a while, and I personally feel that there might be something to it,
    When I was facing down the animal I mentioned in my previous post, my plan was almost 100% sport BJJ oriented.
    There was no way in hell I could take him in a standup fight (I'd sparred with him previously), my plan was to immediately jump guard, drag him down on top of me and hopefully double overhook him then just lay there and hold on until my backup could latch on to him.
    I had that luxury because he was by himself and I had backup just seconds away. I also knew his skills almost as well as he did and knew he always had hell breaking my guard.
    Sport may not always work on the streetz, but streetz bangin doesn't always work either.
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    Regardless of how elite a fighter may be in his specific sport, he may struggle if taken out of his element and that may partially be the case here. A lot of folks seem to get defensive if a discussion implies thereís significant differences between sport and self-defense, but there is, even with MMA fighters. Sparring isnít fighting and sport-fighting is often more akin to sparring than it is self-defense. What many people refer to as street-fighting is essentially unarmed duels, not self-defense against violent assaults.

    I once begrudgingly dabbled in sport-fighting and showed enough promise to warrant Art Davie(this was many years ago) calling me at home and offer me spots in the UFC and K1 and still get quite a few calls to help pro-fighers(primarily with their footwork) so I feel Iím reasonably qualified to present an informed opinion on the topic. As a young, muscular, cocky 19 year old, I once got into a late night impromptu sparring match in a 7-eleven. I was bigger, stronger, infinitely more athletic and didnít initially take him serious, but this guy gave me absolute fits that he shouldnít have been able to do. The primary reason was the limited flooring space stifled my preferred techniques and being unable to use the footwork I had developed and was used to employing and he was an in-fighting and clinch specialist. We took it outside and I absolutely destroyed him. I originally thought he was minimally untrained, but he turned out to have a fairly extensive martial art background with a fair amount of actual street experience in India, so there is that. Plus he did some really unorthodox stuff I had never encountered before.

    That incident was a real eye opener about holes I didnít realize were there and drastically changed my focus and the direction of my training. We actually ended up training together for awhile and became good friends and he remains one to this day.

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    So that's the second crackhead he had trouble fighting?

    (Cough...Jon Jones...cough)

    Somehow though, I doubt the blood on the walls was Anthony Smith's. I'm guessing he probably beat the brakes off this dude but the dude was too high to notice.

    Lessons:
    1. Lock your damn doors
    2. Gun ownership isn't a bad thing. We recently had a homeowner here in IL toss a dude out of his house and shoot another. He was no MMA fighter, but he won. Like Gandhi says..."stay strapped or get clapped"
    3. I'm not sure if it's good to access a deadly weapon in a fight and not use it. Not everyone is impressed by your weapon.
    4. Random dude on the street might well be one of the best wrestlers in a corn belt state. And high on PCP.
    5. "I'm the only one keeping my family safe. Gotta go wreck that body" is a pretty good response to a stranger in your house.
    6. An unarmed man beat a home invader... probably to the point of brain damage (elevated ICP will cause increased blood pressure. That's probably the result of multiple concussions/head trauma). He survived until the cops arrived and took the little scrote into custody. That's a win.
    7. Fighting on/around furniture isn't the same as fighting in a ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheap Shot View Post
    On an mma forum where that interview was also posted there was some speculation the dirtbag was under the influence of bath salts, meth or PCP.

    Not sure if that was the case but its another reason going hands on wouldn't be the safest option for me or my family's well being.
    Maybe but IME there is something to the stereotype of mentally ill in crisis and developmentally disabled individuals being preternaturally strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    Maybe but IME there is something to the stereotype of mentally ill in crisis and developmentally disabled individuals being preternaturally strong.
    Thanks, you said some of what I was trying to say in a much more eloquent manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    If the MIL did not intend for Smith to immediately kill the intruder (not a bad idea) she is stupid.
    Sounds like he asked the MIL for the knife

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    Quote Originally Posted by theJanitor View Post
    Sounds like he asked the MIL for the knife
    Then be careful what you wish for.....

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