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    This is why I tell people that MMA/boxing/muay thai and the like arent the "end all be all" to unarmed self defense. Don't get me wrong, MMA training is great and helps to build good skills and attributes but it also conditions the trainee with bad muscle memory in many cases.

    Example: After training boxing 3x a week for a little over a year I got into an unarmed fight against a bigger guy who was both drunk and on drugs while at a party (I was young and still partied back then). I have him three solid straight rights to the face and he ate them like they were nothing. Why did I punch him? Thats what I was conditioned to do and we fight like we train.

    We ended up in a clinch and somehow I ended up poking him in his eye extremly well. He was done after that. I added in Krav Maga (thankfully I found a legit instructor) and found a Kelly McCann "Kembatives" style group and started training in that a lot more than boxing.

    Boxing gave me a good base but all the unamed fights ive been in since while working security I believe the krav and kelly mccann stuff came in more handy.

    That said, the best unarmed style is to extend your arm and pick up a weapon.

    Just my .02 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    I don't remember much about his ground game.

    That said, when I saw the story online a day or two ago I thought to myself...that doesn't bode well for the "regular" guy...
    With very, very few exceptions, anyone currently in the UFC - even the 'striking specialist' - has a better ground game than 99.9% of the population.

    Smith is a BJJ blackbelt, fwiw, so he's not a standup specialist.


    Also for fwiw, this intruder was a high school wrestling standout in Nebraska. Which puts him in the .1%, I suppose, and might explain why Smith had trouble with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigD View Post
    With very, very few exceptions, anyone currently in the UFC - even the 'striking specialist' - has a better ground game than 99.9% of the population.

    Smith is a BJJ blackbelt, fwiw, so he's not a standup specialists


    Also for fwiw, this intruder was a high school wrestling standout in Nebraska. Which puts him in the .1%, I suppose, and might explain why Smith had trouble with him.

    I would say that Smith is more noted for his striking than his ground game but anyone in the UFC or high level MMA will pretty much have, at the very least, a better ground game than most of the planet.

    I've been watching the UFC since day 1 and have enjoyed the evolution of the skills since Royce Gracie showed what David could do among the Goliaths.

    Not as many Tank Abbotts around these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warped Mindless View Post
    This is why I tell people that MMA/boxing/muay thai and the like arent the "end all be all" to unarmed self defense. Don't get me wrong, MMA training is great and helps to build good skills and attributes but it also conditions the trainee with bad muscle memory in many cases.

    Example: After training boxing 3x a week for a little over a year I got into an unarmed fight against a bigger guy who was both drunk and on drugs while at a party (I was young and still partied back then). I have him three solid straight rights to the face and he ate them like they were nothing. Why did I punch him? Thats what I was conditioned to do and we fight like we train.

    We ended up in a clinch and somehow I ended up poking him in his eye extremly well. He was done after that. I added in Krav Maga (thankfully I found a legit instructor) and found a Kelly McCann "Kembatives" style group and started training in that a lot more than boxing.

    Boxing gave me a good base but all the unamed fights ive been in since while working security I believe the krav and kelly mccann stuff came in more handy.

    That said, the best unarmed style is to extend your arm and pick up a weapon.

    Just my .02 cents.
    Growing up around a lot of street and bar fights, I've had the opportunity to see what a skilled street fighter can do against many a trained individual.
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    And I hope my fighting days are behind me. My last one was with a drunken bully of a police sergeant in a PBA lounge. Fortunately for me, his size wasn't an asset that night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hieronymous View Post
    That was a sobering interview to listen to. I doubt ESPN would broadcast same if he had successfully defended his family with a firearm. Nevertheless, I think it is a must listen to interview.

    A particularly scary/interesting component of the experience was when smiths mother-in-law got him a knife to attempt to control the home invader with (presumably) the threat of getting stabbed/cut and it had no effect on compliance and Anthony notes it created difficulty controlling him as he only had one hand free.

    Note: He believed he lived in a safe neighborhood and at the time of the incident his garage door had been left open.

    Scary stuff.
    A knife is an offensive weapon. For normal humans if a knife is introduced you either use it to full effect ASAP or it will be used on you.

    If the MIL did not intend for Smith to immediately kill the intruder (not a bad idea) she is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigD View Post
    Also for fwiw, this intruder was a high school wrestling standout in Nebraska. Which puts him in the .1%, I suppose, and might explain why Smith had trouble with him.
    Probably the baddest man I've ever sparred with has slipped in and out of drugs and criminality his whole life.
    The guy is a 6' 240# beast. I watched him punch another pro fighter so hard in the face during a MMA fight that the guy burst into tears and the ref called it a TKO because he refused to answer the bell for round 2.

    When I worked event security I had to kick him out of a concert one night while he was high as a kite and ready to fight.
    Luckily for me he recognized me from the gym and knew we were "friends" so he let me talk him out.

    There are some real animals out there and you never know when you'll run across one of them.
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    On an mma forum where that interview was also posted there was some speculation the dirtbag was under the influence of bath salts, meth or PCP.

    Not sure if that was the case but its another reason going hands on wouldn't be the safest option for me or my family's well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheap Shot View Post
    On an mma forum where that interview was also posted there was some speculation the dirtbag was under the influence of bath salts, meth or PCP.

    Not sure if that was the case but its another reason going hands on wouldn't be the safest option for me or my family's well being.
    It's eye opening (to say the least) to see what folks under such influence are capable of.
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    Got to wonder if so many years of training for and playing by MMA rules limited his approach.
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    I think a bunch of people missed that the guy that broke into his house was a high-level High School wrestler. The people that think some random untrained dude off the street is going to break into an elite MMA fighters house and give him a hard time are cracking me up here.
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