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    Whats everyone using for a weapon light on their MPX/APC9/Stribog type guns? I was thinking that a pistol light like an X300U or a TLR1-HL at 12 o’clock would make more sense than something like a Surefire Scout or the Modlite equivalent due to the limited effective range of one of these guns compared to something in a rifle caliber. Am I on the right track?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WobblyPossum View Post
    Whats everyone using for a weapon light on their MPX/APC9/Stribog type guns? I was thinking that a pistol light like an X300U or a TLR1-HL at 12 o’clock would make more sense than something like a Surefire Scout or the Modlite equivalent due to the limited effective range of one of these guns compared to something in a rifle caliber. Am I on the right track?
    I tried an X300U at 12 o'clock on my APC9k and it just didn't work as well as I thought it would. The reach to the paddles worked OK for momentary on, but was very awkward if I wanted constant on or to turn it off. I also worry about the switches coming on accidentally in a bag.

    The only downside with the APC9k was finding a light setup that I was really happy, but I think I finally found it after like 5 tries. The Surefire Pro swivel mount got the light really close to the gun and the top rail so it doesn't interfere with the folding stock or put the light in a spot to block the ejection port like other MLOK mounts I tried. I don't find the light output overkill at all considering Surefire goes for a lot more spill and isn't as focused on throw as the Modlites I have on rifles. The one cell light would have been fine also, but I wanted something a little longer to get rid of the suppressor shadow since I only shoot it suppressed.

    I had to remove the right side charging handle, but that was necessary for most of the options I tired and I only use the left side anyways so I don't consider that a huge sacrifice.

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    @dontshakepandas That looks like a solid setup. I recently ordered an APC9 Pro with the Glock magazine lower and should hopefully be able to pick it up next week. A rifle-style light interfering with the charging handles was one of the things I was concerned about. The slightly longer handguard of the non-k version should probably have less risk of the light blocking the charging handle but I’m glad to see it’s a simple fix to remove the handle on the light side. I don’t have a pistol caliber suppressor yet but plan to get one down the road. The longer light decreasing shadow is a valid point. The K looks like it would be very cramped at the top rail with a pistol light at 12 o’clock as well.

    How do you like that B&T stock? I’m initially planning to get the SB Tactical brace that looks similar to that stock and, if I like it enough, I might SBR the gun and get that buttstock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WobblyPossum View Post

    How do you like that B&T stock? I’m initially planning to get the SB Tactical brace that looks similar to that stock and, if I like it enough, I might SBR the gun and get that buttstock.
    I like the stock a lot, but there isn't a whole lot to it. A lot of people like the telescoping stock/brace and after trying them I just don't like them. They are super uncomfortable to shoot, actually make the gun bigger in the dimensions that matter to me, and cost $600.

    The SB Tactical brace is ok, but it really didn't work well as a brace for me since it didn't fit around my arm well. I was using a Custom Smith Manufacturing brace with a tail hook before I got my stamp since the tail hook actually works as a brace, but ironically I think it actually counts against you more in the new AFT brace calculations.

    Unless you have a specific need to keep it a pistol, I'd suggest just going with the SBR route. My e-file Form 1 was approved in less than 2 weeks. If the brace rules do end up getting changed I would imagine a huge influx of applications so it would probably be nice to be on the front end of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontshakepandas View Post
    I like the stock a lot, but there isn't a whole lot to it. A lot of people like the telescoping stock/brace and after trying them I just don't like them. They are super uncomfortable to shoot, actually make the gun bigger in the dimensions that matter to me, and cost $600.

    The SB Tactical brace is ok, but it really didn't work well as a brace for me since it didn't fit around my arm well. I was using a Custom Smith Manufacturing brace with a tail hook before I got my stamp since the tail hook actually works as a brace, but ironically I think it actually counts against you more in the new AFT brace calculations.

    Unless you have a specific need to keep it a pistol, I'd suggest just going with the SBR route. My e-file Form 1 was approved in less than 2 weeks. If the brace rules do end up getting changed I would imagine a huge influx of applications so it would probably be nice to be on the front end of that.
    The rush may have already started - I e-filed my Scorpion Form 1 on 8-4 and am still waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    The rush may have already started - I e-filed my Scorpion Form 1 on 8-4 and am still waiting.
    I submitted mine on 8/13 and it was approved on 8/25. Maybe I just got lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontshakepandas View Post
    I submitted mine on 8/13 and it was approved on 8/25. Maybe I just got lucky.
    Was this your first? It’s mine, and I wonder if that can cause a delay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    Was this your first? It’s mine, and I wonder if that can cause a delay.
    That could have something to do with it. I have several suppressors and a few other form 1 SBRs. Hopefully yours will be approved soon... along with my form 4 for my Sandman K.

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    9-Hole Reviews did a video on the PDW concept. Suggested viewing material for anyone who is having trouble understanding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    9-Hole Reviews did a video on the PDW concept. Suggested viewing material for anyone who is having trouble understanding it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEt4Y_STOw

    Pinned by 9-Hole Reviews in the comments section:

    "Seems like some guys are looking at bullpups as a PDW. I want to reiterate that PDW's are dependent on an INTENDED DEFENSIVE ROLE.
    The Tavor was designed as a general purpose rifle.
    The MP5a3, UMP, etc were designed as a general purpose SMG.
    While these can be pressed into PDW use (though the Tavor is more of a military PDW use), they were designed with a general purpose intent.

    The Steyr TMP/ B&T MP9/TP9 does not explicitly say it's a PDW, but the layout seems to go the direction of the Vz61 where it's categorized as a machine pistol, but in reality is a ground-up type I design with Type III SMG internals."

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