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    Quote Originally Posted by JTQ View Post
    Since I know very little about hybrids, I've always wondered how long the drive batteries last, and if they die, what is the repair/replacement cost.
    Depends on the model. Prius batteries generally last 8-12 years (with a few going 15+) and the Ni-MH batteries cost ~$1,500 for reconditioned used, ~$2,000 for new Chinese, and ~$4,000 for new OE. Mine lasted 9 years & 160,000 and I opted for the $2,000 chinese battery with a 4 year warranty. Install was free. The mid 2000s highlander hybrid battery costs a few hundred more. Mid 2000s Civic costs a couple hundred less.

    Mine was on the shorter end of the life because I do a fair bit of mountain driving which rapidly depletes and recharges the battery, accelerating wear. Long downgrades also "overcharge" the battery - that is, charge it to 100% rather than the normal 80% which is best for battery life. On the other hand, I didn't need to replace the front brake pads until 150,000 miles and I'm still on the original rear brakes.

    The lithium-ion batteries are too new, but should last longer (and be more expensive to replace).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Depends on the model. Prius batteries generally last 8-12 years (with a few going 15+) and the Ni-MH batteries cost ~$1,500 for reconditioned used, ~$2,000 for new Chinese, and ~$4,000 for new OE. Mine lasted 9 years & 160,000 and I opted for the $2,000 chinese battery with a 4 year warranty. Install was free. The mid 2000s highlander hybrid battery costs a few hundred more. Mid 2000s Civic costs a couple hundred less.

    Mine was on the shorter end of the life because I do a fair bit of mountain driving which rapidly depletes and recharges the battery, accelerating wear. Long downgrades also "overcharge" the battery - that is, charge it to 100% rather than the normal 80% which is best for battery life. On the other hand, I didn't need to replace the front brake pads until 150,000 miles and I'm still on the original rear brakes.

    The lithium-ion batteries are too new, but should last longer (and be more expensive to replace).
    Thanks a lot.

    Based on your own experience, do you have any idea of the ownership/maintenance costs compared to and equivalent ICE vehicle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiroFijo View Post
    Thanks a lot.

    Based on your own experience, do you have any idea of the ownership/maintenance costs compared to and equivalent ICE vehicle?
    The Prius has often topped lists of most economical car to drive. Consumer reports estimated $0.47/mile for a new prius over the first 5 years - with most of that being depreciation.

    Here have been my costs:

    Depreciation: $0.075/mile ($15,000 over 200,000)
    Gas: $0.07/mile ($3.50 @ 50mpg - I actually get 50, but I rarely cruise over 62mph. More like 45mpg if you go 70+)
    Registration & Insurance: $0.04/mile ($600 every 15,000)
    Oil: $0.015/mile ($75 every 5,000 - many go every 10k)
    Head Gasket: $0.015/mile ($2,000 at 125,000 miles)
    Hybrid Battery: $0.013/mile ($2,000 every 150,000)
    Tires: $0.01/mile ($800 every 80,000)
    Tuneup: $0.008/mile ($500 every 60,000 - new plugs, air filter, & EGR pipe cleaning)
    Headlight bulbs: $0.003/mile ($50 every 15,000 - brightest Slyvannias only last 200 hours, but they have a 1 year warranty)
    12v Battery: $0.0025/mile ($125 every 50,000)
    Brakes: $0.002/mile ($300 every 150,000)
    Coolant Flush: $0.002/mile ($200 every 100,000)
    Windshield wiper blades: $0.002/mile ($30 every 15,000)


    Plus I reckon:
    Refresh Engine: $0.013 ($4,000 every 300,000)
    Rebuilt A/C system: $0.005 ($1,000 every 200,000
    New Inverter: $0.003 ($1,000 every 300,000)


    That's $0.279/mile - Figure $0.30 with car washes and miscellaneous little stuff I'm forgetting - maybe 35 if you wanted to repaint the exterior and refresh the interior every 15 years or so...
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    I need to consider replacing my 2015 CR-V after I land in NH later this year (no sales tax there, so it pays to wait.) The new CR-V Hybrid is on my shortlist.

    What I really want isn’t made, so far as I know - an AWD vehicle with plug in electric propulsion, but an IC engine as an onboard charging and range extension device. I think the Volt was like this. Extra points if the IC engine is hydrogen or LP fueled, but I think we’re still ten or more years away for that to be practical, even in New England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    What I really want isn’t made, so far as I know - an AWD vehicle with plug in electric propulsion, but an IC engine as an onboard charging and range extension device.
    Check out:

    2021 Rav4 PHEV
    2020 Ford Escape PHEV (this might be front wheel drive only?)
    2020 Subaru Crosstek PHEV
    2020 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Check out:

    2021 Rav4 PHEV
    2020 Ford Escape PHEV (this might be front wheel drive only?)
    2020 Subaru Crosstek PHEV
    2020 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
    As I mentioned earlier i think it is this year the BMW SUV equivalent of the BMW I3 is coming out.
    Sorry multi quote didnt work @HeavyDuty
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Check out:

    2021 Rav4 PHEV
    2020 Ford Escape PHEV (this might be front wheel drive only?)
    2020 Subaru Crosstek PHEV
    2020 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
    Quote Originally Posted by UNK View Post
    As I mentioned earlier i think it is this year the BMW SUV equivalent of the BMW I3 is coming out.
    Sorry multi quote didnt work @HeavyDuty
    I’ll check those all out - thanks! Of the ones given, the Escape is the only one likely to make the cut for me for various reasons, and only if it’s available in AWD.

    Edit - yep, the Escape hybrid is available with AWD
    Last edited by HeavyDuty; 03-06-2020 at 02:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    I’ll check those all out - thanks! Of the ones given, the Escape is the only one likely to make the cut for me for various reasons, and only if it’s available in AWD.

    Edit - yep, the Escape hybrid is available with AWD
    I’m very curious what those reasons might be, if you care to share - if it’s too far off the topic of the thread, maybe a PM?

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    I think the soon to be released Toyota Rav4 Prime will be very interesting. It is a plug in hybrid that has 39 miles of electric only range then the gas motor kicks in so no range anxiety. Its also has 300HP so it will be supposedly do 0-60 in six seconds.

    Worth keeping an eye on depending on when you are looking to buy.

    https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4prime/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_S View Post
    I’m very curious what those reasons might be, if you care to share - if it’s too far off the topic of the thread, maybe a PM?
    No biggie.

    2021 Rav4 PHEV - two bad Toyota experiences, they won’t get me again
    2020 Subaru Crosstek PHEV - too small
    2020 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV - I prefer a brand with better dealer coverage
    BMW - $$$
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