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    I want to be a more accurate 25 yd shooter!

    So, I just read DeFoor's analysis of 7-10 yd vs. 25 yd shooters re the Humbler drill. I want to be a much better 25 yd shooter but frequently have to use 3-10 yd ranges. What drills can I use at 3-10 yd to make me a better 25 yd shooter? I would classify myself as at novice shooter. FAST test is around 9-10 seconds. One, reload, two at 7 yd is around 6 seconds. I can consistently hit the 3x5" on demand at 7 yd without time pressure. Thanks in advance for responses.

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    If you can't increase your distance, decrease the size of your targets. Staples or Wal-Mart has 1 inch stickers. Some one smarter than I can tell you the distance that a 1 inch sticker equals a 6 inch bulleseye at 25 yards. I "think" it's about five yards.

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    Here is my formula for cone of deviation... 1" at 5yd = 2" at 10yd = 3" at 15yd = 4" at 20yd = 5" at 25yd..... pretty simple to adjust size of target to match "x" size at "y" range. Also keep in mind that a 1" square is not the same size as a 1" circle.....
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    My rule of thumb that works for myself is if the pattern looks like buckshot squeeze the grip harder.


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    I use a lot of small targets at close distance in my classes, and they do require greater precision (obviously). But the 1" @ 5yd = 5" @ 25yd thing only tells half the story. At close ranges, you can cheat yourself by getting a target focus (or mid-range focus) and still see the front sight clearly enough to get very good results. Once you get out to greater distances that ability disappears and suddenly someone who thinks he has deadeye accuracy finds that his 25yd groups suck.

    So it certainly is possible to work on all the fundamentals of marksmanship at close range. You just have to be very conscious and certain that you're seeing the same crisp sight picture that you'd need for longer distance shots.

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    Does this mean you'd suggest practicing slow fire marksmanship at a distance, even for a new shooter? I know I've found myself cheating on occasion.
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    Both close and distance marksmanship are valuable practice but the distance stuff will reap bigger, faster rewards for a new shooter.

    I find that increasing distance in small increments (e.g., the 3x5 drill) helps avoid the issue many shooters have whereby they are point shooting at close range without realizing it, then get lost at distance.

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    I can report that focusing on relatively small targets at close range is helping. I've selected a 1" circle at 3 yd as my target, 5 across and 5 down for 25 possible points. Best run so far with no time limit is 23/25. Last week I walked back to 25 yd on a 40% IPSC plate and, relatively speaking, it looked huge - 10/10 with no time pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowtown44 View Post
    So, I just read DeFoor's analysis of 7-10 yd vs. 25 yd shooters re the Humbler drill. I want to be a much better 25 yd shooter but frequently have to use 3-10 yd ranges. What drills can I use at 3-10 yd to make me a better 25 yd shooter? I would classify myself as at novice shooter. FAST test is around 9-10 seconds. One, reload, two at 7 yd is around 6 seconds. I can consistently hit the 3x5" on demand at 7 yd without time pressure. Thanks in advance for responses.
    Can you provide a link to that discussion, please?
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